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Sunday, March 26, 2023

[The Last of SQUAWKS: E9] Look For The Light |SEASON FINALE| The Last of Us

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Our FULL BREAKDOWN of The Last of Us' inaugural SEASON FINALE: Maybe it isn't as much about whether the world is worth saving but how far one is willing to go to preserve a beautiful soul that deserves a chance at living... even if it means lying.
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Rachael Burt:
Sherrandy Swift:
Bridget Mason-Gray:

  • Should we change our episode intros to Most times we make you laugh?
  • Bella Ramsey will continue to portray Ellie Williams in Season 2.

  • Ashley Johnson, who played the role of Ellie in the video games, portrayed Anna Williams, Ellie's mother, this episode. Sherrandy points out that she was in the TV Series Rosanne and the movie Nine Months.
  • Because Sherrandy took a moment to rewatch a handful of prior episodes before taking notes, she noticed how Anna emerging from the woods to reach The Fireflies safehouse mirrors the pilot, just after the last time jump to the present, with the little boy emerging from the woods and wasteland to reach Boston QZ.

  • The episode, itself, starts with a lie and ends with a lie: Anna lies to Marlene when she said she cut Ellie's umbilical cord before she got bit and Joel Miller lies to Ellie about The Fireflies not needing her for the cure.
  • Dave mentions that Marlene is a lot like Joel in that she delivers Ellie to FEDRA Academy to keep her safe, with Joel delivering Ellie back to Marlene under the same premise. The tragedy in doing so is that Marlene has to bear the immense burden of undoing her promise to Anna (keeping Ellie safe) in order get the cure.
  • Bridget & Sherrandy both take a moment to relay that it was too painful for Marlene to raise Ellie, which is why she delivers her to FEDRA, somewhat in response to Dave's theory that she delivered Ellie to FEDRA in order to keep the cure safe (maybe even collaborating with them all this time).
  • Continuing on the topic of how painful life was for Marlene, out of anyone on the series, she's endured the most loses and Merle Dandridge did an excellent job of visually expressing these emotions throughout this episode. This is not too dissimilar to Ellie's survivors guilt, losing so many along the way, only to be told that it was for nothing.
  • Had she not befriended Riley Abel, Ellie would've never encountered Marlene (again, technically), who had assumed she fulfilled her promise to Anna (keeping baby Ellie in the safest place imaginable). When Marlene is reintroduced to Ellie, not only is she found with one of her operatives, she finds out she was bit. Even though she is immune - maybe especially so - she is forced, again, to keep her safe. Instead of doing it herself, she pawns her off to someone else, yet again (Joel).

  • Sherrandy points out the irony of pawning Ellie off initially to FEDRA: either Marlene is stupid and never considered the possibility of Ellie getting hurt in The Fireflies attempt to overthrow FEDRA or she was too short-sighted to the possibility that Ellie might rise in the ranks (which she was actually on track for) and would have to eventually fight her.

  • Of course, this leads us to the criticism of how ineffective The Fireflies must've always been if they could've been taken out by the one-man-army that is Joel Miller. Dave runs a little cover for that by mentioning that The Fireflies have also had to deal with infected, Raiders, and people in general (who, we've discovered, aren't that great).
  • Rachael mentions the possibility that Marlene and the others might've still believed in FEDRA at the time and happily handed baby Ellie over to FEDRA Academy, since it was only 6 years after the fall. Dave disagrees because FEDRA has no bones about population control (which we see in episode 3, Long Long Time) and it seems like they might've left Boston QZ in order for Anna to give birth to her baby without impunity.

  • Marlene affirms to Anna that they've know each other their whole lives, but Bridget says that doesn't mean that they were friends: the fungal apocalypse might've accelerated and strengthened the nature of their relationship, just like Michonne initially trusting Jocelyn on The Walking Dead (9x14, Scars). All of this to say how, at the end of the day, we don't really know why they were out there to begin with and we also don't know the true extent of their friendship.
  • Did you have a criticism over why The Fireflies had to place the operating room so far away in the Pediatric wing of the hospital? We all enjoyed the sequence of Joel mowing down all The Fireflies though, with the sound subdued under the roar of the score.
    Editors note: Upon second watch, the monkeys in the zoo animal painting on the walls leading to pediatric surgery were not in the style of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
  • Never watch any episodes with Dave or Rachael: they will talk through them like furries... I mean furbys. We also drill down on Dave's disdain for pets (or preference to humans over animals): it's not as much the animals he dislikes rather than over-coddling of their human masters (and semi-mistreatment of them in an urban environment). There's also a difference between flesh-children and fur-babies... and computer copies of yourself.
  • ICYMI, As Marlene is walking into the room, Anna is singing The Sun Always Shines on TV by A-Ha. A-Ha's Take on Me played in the last episode and is an 80's song, which means trouble (according to Frank & Bill's status codes). It's also a technical/spiritual sequel to Take on Me (the end credits of Take on Me appear at the beginning of The Sun Always Shines on TV's music video). More importantly, the song is a warning about delusional expectations we have in our own lives that are garnered from fiction(al television shows). Not everything turns out the way it's "supposed" to.
  • The gang are stuck on Dave saying The Cure. 3 guesses as to why.
  • Do you think Ellie's sullen mood at the beginning (when we return to present day) is due to the knowledge that she might die trying to provide the cure to the cordyceps infection? Initially, viewers couldn't be faulted for thinking that her demeanor was attributed to the traumatic events of the last episode, but there's been time enough between then and now for seasons to change and Joel to heal from his injuries: she's bound to have bounced back since then. Rachael posits that people rarely (if ever) end up having to die in order to create vaccines, but given her age and possible lack of education on the subject, it wouldn't be strange that Ellie thought she would have to die in order to engineer a vaccine.
  • Dave disagrees: it's pretty safe for anyone to assume that she wouldn't have had to die to produce a vaccine and this is further qualified when she says that she'd follow him wherever he goes, afterwards (Sherrandy waves this off: Ellie meant this figuratively). He also attributes her disposition to both nerves, having never visited a doctor beyond a routine physical, but also what happens to her after this is all over: the aftermath of having fulfilled her purpose and, irrational or not, whether Joel feels the same way about her as she feels for him.

  • Compromise: it could be that Ellie, too, lies to Joel about following him wherever he goes, knowing they will have to kill her in order to manufacture a resistance to the Cordyceps Fungus.
  • Even though Marlene pleads to Joel, near the end of the episode, that producing the cure is what Ellie wants, during the scene in the hospital as Joel is recovering from being knocked out, she also tells Joel that Ellie is being spared the knowledge that she would have to die to retrieve it: something that might not have been super clear on first watch (at least to Dave). This, too, mirrors what FEDRA did to the little boy in the pilot: lying to him about bringing him food and toys, but ultimately killing him because he was infected.

  • Would you want an entirely separate podcast containing only the parts that are edited out?
  • Sherrandy backtracks to the last episode where she missed another common mall establishment: Things Remembered. Along with Dave regaling everyone why that was important to him and why it was hilariously ironic that he completely forgot, we have a laugh about a mirror universe establishment called Things Forgotten.
  • The chat riffs on Flesh Children and how wrong Dave is but, also, Takeerah mentions how most times when a cure is needed on a zombie apocalypse story, someone has to die to get it. Sherrandy also creates a quick photoshop of a big-headed Thomas playing the role of Elliott in E.T. biking Dave (playing the role of E.T.) in the sky in the front basket.
  • Ultimately, what got Ellie to perk up was seeing the Giraffes in the baseball field, which signals to Ellie (sub/consciously) that there are so many more wonderful things in life to see. It also signals to Joel that everything's going to be OK (at least, at the moment). There's also a nearly word-for-word, overt callback from Joel - as they both overlook the field of giraffes - from the 2nd episode, when they are overlooking the capitol building in the distance at sunset, "Can't deny that view."
  • Additionally, the baseball diamond, Bethany Clare Field, was named after the wife of developer, Peter Field, who designed it in the video games.
  • Speaking of the games, we'd be remiss if we didn't reiterate that the remastered version of the game is available on both Steam and Sony PlayStation 5 gaming console.
  • Though it diverges in minor ways, like Joel divulging to Ellie the story behind his scar and some small edits in dialog, this episode is largely a shot-for-shot remake from the video game.
  • Speaking of Joel's scar, we attempt to link the significance of him recanting his suicide attempt and Ellie finally revealing the person she had to kill (namely, Riley). We sidetrack a little on pubescent romance and how we all feel so strongly about them when we're much younger - then imagining having to kill that same someone you feel so strongly towards. It could be as simple as Ellie & Joel connecting with one another completely, but it could also mean - more deeply - that they both healed a wound inside of them that they never even thought would close (regardless of what comes after).

  • Dave takes this slightly further by way of The Sun Always Shines on TV by A-Ha and something Craig Mazin said in the Inside the Episode: it's not as much that time heals all wounds as much as time makes the pain of loss and trauma fade over time. Just like the song attempts to convey, there's no formulaic television script to the way we experience, react, and (subsequently) handle loss and trauma, either: life is messy. Situations rarely work out the way they do on TV and people are usually left with more questions than ever receive answers.
  • Adding to Marlene's never-ending stack of losses, as Joel wakes up from being knocked unconscious, she realizes that Joel has feelings for Ellie and has to, yet again, take away Ellie from a parent(-figure). To appease her own guilt, she grants Joel a shred of mercy by giving her Anna's/Ellie's switchblade as she orders her men to escort him off the premises.

  • What's more interesting (or maybe even confusing): even after Joel horrifically murders all her compatriots, Marlene continues to grant Joel mercy by giving him a chance to hand over Ellie one last time, which is something that runs completely contrary to the way people have behaved throughout this series (the inability to trust anyone). Though this almost reads like a suicide attempt, we attribute this to her ideology: much in the way the Cordyceps are designed to spread at all costs, so too does ideology, even at the expense of the individual (host).
  • Giraffic Park and Dave doesn't know everything about giraffes, but Ze Frank does.
  • Examining Ellie's silence near the end of the episode: it's very easy to assume that she suspects Joel is lying about the events that transpired while she was anesthetized. Dave posits a deeper insight: let's assume Joel's story was true. It would be devastating for anyone to hear how unspecial they really are (dozens), let alone accept the possibility that all the pain, trauma, and losses Ellie experienced in the pursuit of her sole purpose was for nothing (giving up on the cure). It would be beyond anyone's comprehension.
  • On the note of that scene, Bridget illustrates the difference in Pedro Pascal's delivery versus Troy Baker's and how they are both great/valid in their own way. Dave really identifies with a babbling, unhinged Joel when his co-hosts aren't responding to his insights.
  • Side track: Boggle remind us of the scene in Ghostbusters 2 when Louis Tully & Janine Melnitz babysit Dana Barrett's baby, which prompts Thomas to create the following photo edit(s):
  • But going back to Ellie's loss of purpose, Sherrandy feels the need to set Ellie straight by telling her to just move on and do something good in Jackson Commune. She might even pass on her immunity to her children. Marrying both Dave and Sherrandy's ideas: it's almost beyond comprehension that all of this was for nothing, so Joel must be lying. Bridget adds one more brick to the heap by explaining all the other purposes that were taken away from Ellie: moving up the ranks of FEDRA and deciding to run away with Riley.
  • Bridget's insight takes us directly to the lie itself: we all agree that Joel saving Ellie was the right thing to do - despite the horror of it (though cool to watch) and barring some moral questions - but where we differ widely is the lie Joel constructs to Ellie to explain what happened. Though we all agree that the truth will eventually emerge, some of us thought Joel's lie was a way to actually give Ellie all the choices (because dead men get no choices) without having to look back and others thought it actually suppressed her agency, once again.
  • Is Joel selfish for refusing to tell her what happened? Are all the decisions we make, to varying degrees, selfish?
  • Sherrandy draws a comparison: Joel killing all The Fireflies is a lot like Morgan Jones wiping out the Wolves (save for one). This brings up a bigger theme (blue & red make purple) on the show of how The Fireflies and FEDRA have been at each others throats for 20 years, yet their very yin-yang nature has allowed them (and humanity) to persist. Sherrandy draws a separate comparison to the concept of Game of Thrones, where one family is on top and, by nature of the wheel, crushes other families beneath it: until the wheel turns once more and another family emerges to crush the last family. Both ideologies are like the cordyceps, feeding off the host that is humanity, and holding back just before the brink of death so that they can persist and spread.
  • Along with series like The Glory, Ted Lasso, Lucky Hank, and Yellowjackets, we'll also be receiving a 31 minute behind-the-scenes The Last of Us special. It won't tide you over for the two years it will take until Season 2 finally arrives, but it is a nice little bonus.
  • A final thank you for tuning in to our coverage of The Last of Us' first season, especially considering our numbers have dipped due to straying from The Walking Dead Universe in the interim. This series, thus far, has exceeded our expectations and we can't wait for its return!

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Saturday, March 11, 2023

[The Last of SQUAWKS: E8] When We Are In Need |The Last of Us

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…He Shall Provide, because #EllieWilliams managed to take down Teacher-turned-Preacher-turned-Kindling, David, all on her own. `Nuff said, right? Well, you know us…
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  • Generally speaking, we sometimes go off on tangents - subconsciously holding back from talking about an episode that's particularly rough or triggery. We joke around, interact with the audience, etc: Classic avoidance.
  • The episode begins with David reciting a passage from Revelations 21, which describes the reward of heaven on earth during the second-coming, for those who remain faithful. Is this David's heaven, where he can finally be who he was meant to be (sort of in the manner in which we describe, generally speaking, characters in The Walking Dead)?
  • Kudos to the make-up department for managing to make everyone look gaunt and ragged, accenting the depths of everyone's suffering and desperation: especially Troy Baker who plays James in this episode. Troy originally voiced and acted the part of Joel Miller in the video games.
  • Speaking of Bible verses, perdition, and salvation: there were some religious themes throughout this episode, starting with the names of the Silver Lake Resort dwellers: David, James, Marco (Mark), Timothy, Hannah, and Josiah.
  • Bridget explains that the video game doesn't hit you over the head as much with the religious themes or names, but it differs most in the way it holds back David's true nature (whereas, on the show, they show you, right away): initially, David seems like one of the few decent and sane people you come across, especially after proving himself to be a tremendous ally.
  • Dave reiterates something he's said across many episodes, more clearly in the last few: not only does the overall arc seem to be careening towards the end, but almost every episode feels like it's own, self-contained anthology-style episode, where it wraps up neatly at the end.
  • Although Bridget feels like they could've played things out similarly to the video games - burying the lede of David's true nature - she wasn't disappointed with the way they decided to reveal this story. Dave prefers it because it gives the gamers the opportunity to observe this episode from a different perspective, showing everyone in advance what Ellie Williams will have to face on her own, while honing in on the overall theme of desperation and what brings people to the point where they would, knowingly or not, follow a monster to survive.
  • Whether they intended it or not (the Inside the Episode at the end of the episode on HBO Max suggests that they wanted you to think Joel was going to save her), we never doubted that Ellie wasn't going to have to be the one to save herself - which we liked, given how well they fleshed out her character for 8 episodes.

  • This episode is similar to the video games in that you play as Ellie for the first time after Joel is impaled on rebar, similar to Rick Grimes on TWD 9x05 (though, as we mentioned in our blog for Kin, TWD might've borrowed it from The Last of Us video game, not the other way around). Sherrandy also adds that the video game does a great job of not completely telling you whether Joel is even alive or not, after the cut scene where he is impaled: considering that you start playing as Ellie right from the jump, it leaves the player wondering whether he's died and you are playing the rest of the game as her.

  • David mentions fleeing Pittsburgh QZ amidst its fall in 2017. After describing their survival, then having to deal with Raiders, what's interesting about that is that it's a direct parallel to the events of video game, only it's Ellie & Joel's journey. The show had already told us that story by way of placing it in Kansas City, during Please Hold On To My Hand and Endure and Survive, but didn't want to waste an opportunity to miss out on a video game callback.
  • Thomas juxtaposes FEDRA Academy's Captain Kwong (from the last episode) & David to illustrate the way these figureheads see another leader in Ellie. Though FEDRA often seems like it's evil, Kwong shows us that there are good people among them who just want to right humanity's ship; though David seems like a good person, ostensibly, it's revealed that he is depraved and predatory. Kwong & David telling Ellie both who she is and what she could become, especially with David telling her that she has a violent heart, really informs Ellie.
  • Sherrandy asks a really good question: Did David ever have a good side or was he always a psychopath? Rachael remarks that the Cordyceps fungus showed him a natural truth about who he always was, which made him stop pretending to be something he never was: devouring human flesh was merely something on his bucket list. Remember to get yourself some tattoos to ward off cannibals.

  • Dave takes a moment to explain how weird it was watching Troy Baker having to hold down Ellie on the wooden mortician slab/butcher block, after playing Joel in the video games, and thinking how bizarre it must've been for him to play someone who is out to harm and kill her (after playing her protector). It really takes one out of the scene (but obviously not everyone).
  • TikTok user, Maddie, made a really great video illustrating her take on the scene where James shoots Ellie off her horse and how he and the rest of the Silver Lake Resort dwellers wanted to execute her as a form of mercy (from being abused by David), rather than what one might initially perceive as an act of vengeance.

    in the game dialogue when Joel is torturing the 2 men for information, one of them refers to Ellie as "David's newest pet" implying that at least some of these men had recognized his predatory behavior, and I didn't really think too hard about this scene until the realization hit me like a truck. I don't think they just wanted to kill her in cold blood, I think maybe it was a combination of vengeance and mercy. Like he clearly ordered them to leave her alive, so why would they go against that?

    ♬ original sound - Maddie
  • We also talk about how they might've wanted to see what a younger adult must taste like, over eating horse meat (like our survivors had to, in desperation, during The Walking Dead's 11th season).
  • Watching the episode all the way through also contextualizes how unimpressed everyone is when David & James bring back the deer Ellie shot, as they prepare to dig into Alec. Sherrandy also adds to this by way of the conversation David & James have about what little Rabbit & Elk they have left in their stores as they leave the bible study, so they must've been eating Alec. Rachael is so conditioned by TWD that she automatically knew the "venison" the cooks were placing in the stew was Alec meat.
  • Sherrandy takes a moment to appreciate an example of small things that make a great difference in a scene: Ellie's minute sigh of "Oh..." while David finally reveals his true intentions with her whilst placing his hand on the railing of her cage is an acknowledgement of how sick David really is. Dave also brings up a similar moment when David's voice cracks trying to explain to Ellie the pressures of keeping everyone's spirits up while keeping everyone alive. The latter could've easily been Scott Shepherd (who played David) trying to remember his lines, which made for a happy accident.

  • This retreads the question of whether David was always crazy, considering there's some feeling behind David's words to Ellie, but Dave attributes this to the depths to which a giant sociopath like David has to sink, buying into their own giant lies they have to put up in order to fit into society.
  • Taking this one step further: Ellie frees herself by cleaving the side of James' neck and flees into the dining hall. Ellie throws a burnt log at the dining hall's curtains, setting the room ablaze. When David chooses to pursue his prey over fleeing to safety, it completely reveals that he was always a wolf in shepherds clothing.
  • Bridget takes a moment to tie in both Revelations 21 and David as the wolf by explaining the story of The Good Shepherd, in John 10 (John also wrote Revelations). Whoever comes over the side of the[Shepherd's] fence instead of through the gate is a thief and will bring calamity and ruin to the sheep. This triggers a biblical line in The Devil's Advocate, Behold, I send you out as sheep amongst the wolves.
  • Dave takes a step back to remark on how impressive it was that they didn't waste time making you wonder on how scummy David was, based on a remark Walking Dead Eternal made on how much he hated him slapping Alec's daughter. It made him wonder whether she was one of David's victims and/or whether she was falling out of favor with him (considering he preys on violent-hearted people like himself).
  • Bridget to takes back something she had been thinking to herself on first watch: initially, she looked down upon the Silver Lake Resort community as weak people who didn't deserve to survive. Thinking about this more, it's hard to blame them considering how vulnerable and desperate they are on top of just being utterly terrified of David and what he might do to them. It's also worth noting that we don't actually know whether David's community loved him enough to actually choose him as their leader: it's hard to trust David to be a reliable narrator (to Ellie) after discovering how well he manages to manipulate his community throughout this episode.
  • Going back to The Good Shepherd parable, this is exactly Jesus' warning: reject false prophets who smuggle in their dark/selfish intentions by using his words. It makes what David does that much more heinous because these people are putting their faith on the line so that he can shepherd them through difficult times; meanwhile, he is using the lord's name to satisfy the darkest of desires. It's a frustrating reminder of the many horrible acts people have done in the name of religion, which is really upsetting to Bridget, as a person of faith.
  • This gives Dave the opportunity to take more of a 20,000 ft. view of the broken world depicted in this universe and how it's seemingly impossible for any of the leaders of these systems/communities to not abuse their power. It goes back to the question of whether humanity is worthy of receiving Ellie's cure (talk about messianic).
  • At this point, Sherrandy loses her internet and is too frustrated to head back into the studio. We also took a moment to thank everyone who jumped on the second livestream we had to initiate after Dave's internet cut out.
  • Thomas says something interesting, though facetious, about how Ellie should've just married David and ruled the world. Even though we absolutely knew that wasn't going to happen, given that Left Behind showed us how Ellie would never give up on the people that she loves, we just love how no plot point is wasted and appreciated the attention to detail as Ellie tries her absolute best to escape from captivity.
  • We take a hot sec to remark on the upcoming episode which seems to takes place in Nevada, specifically around the Reno area. We also catch a glimpse of a pregnant character played by Ashley Johnson - who voiced Ellie in the video games - being chased by an infected. 👀🤔
  • We take a break from our regularly scheduled podcast to bring you a special mash-up Dave made of Linda Ronstadt's Long Long Time & Harry Chapin's Any Old Kind of Day, which you can download for FREE in our Ko-fi Shop. We welcome your feedback!
  • David insisting on getting Ellie's name throughout this episode is a means of exploiting our inherent susceptibility to suggestion. Jonathan Swift sort of touches upon our inherent trust in the written word in his satire A Modest Proposal. Ellie withholds her name to deny him any control. Thomas brings up How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie: Remember that a person’s name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language. Rachael, and most people, are incredibly distrustful when they hear their name being spoken by an outsider, but the way David attempts to wear her down is by making her tell him her name, first, so it's more familiar to her when he says it out loud, next. Paired with showing him his open hands and being completely open and attentive, it's been a winning strategy for him, thus far.
  • Maddie, who made the excellent point about James wanting to mercy to Ellie, earlier, actually joins us in the chat!
  • We take a minute to go through some of the commentary from Craig Mazin & Neil Druckmann from the Inside the Episode regarding Ellie having to save herself, this time, but with tremendous violence. Though Joel ultimately saves her, emotionally, it's left to be seen how deep her proverbial scars go. Like every episode before it, no plot point is wasted, so we wonder how this traumatic experience will influence the events of the overall story, moving forward.
  • But the hijinx in the livestream chat continue as they make fun of The Outsiders line Bridget attempted to quote and how Ellie is only slightly shorter than Dave, who is only slightly shorter than Rachael, who will take that half an inch.
  • The part of SQUAWKING DEAD showrunner is now played by Maddie, who is an even worse tyrant than Dave. Seriously, though, we take a moment to tell Maddie how much we loved her earlier insight, since she missed us talking about it, despite the massive amount of pushback she received on TikTok. Maddie is our people and is an example of why we do what we do: to hear people out and, whether we agree with them or not, how we try not to destroy both the shows we love or anyone's valuable insights.
  • Sherrandy, now in the chat, brings up something Troy Baker had said on The Last of Us Official Podcast: James' desire to take out Ellie is born out of not wanting Ellie to take his place as second-in-command. We don't really see this played out in the episode and attribute this to a scene or dialogue that may have been left on the cutting room floor because they didn't want it to distract from the overall desire to express the theme of desperation present across all characters.
  • We would be remiss if we didn't include the fact that this week's initial ratings broke all previous initial post-watch ratings by roping in 8.1 million viewers.
  • After Rachael's & Bridget's lower than expected series ratings, two episodes ago, we revisit their thoughts. Rachael was impressed with this episode despite Joel's absence (or despite Joel not being with Ellie). Bridget can't help but make note of the lack of infected and preferred the way the game depicted this episode, mirroring similar statements people were making in latter seasons of The Walking Dead (about there being less walkers or that they weren't as dangerous). Dave really loves these episodes and isn't really concerned about the presence of infected or even other horror elements (the specter of it reflected in the drama is enough for him).
  • Maddie really liked this episode, even if there were some really rough and uncomfortable moments. She also comments on how the penicillin did work! ...which threatens to open up a big can of worms, requiring us to suspend our suspension of disbelief (something that we're not prepared to do). It also prompts Sherrandy to comment on Joel's capacity to subdue 3 men at such diminished physical capacity.
  • Oh oh oh! And Joel telling Ellie, It's OK, baby girl. I got you, like he did Sarah Miller 20 years ago, is everything.

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