[Episode 180] Season 11, Episode 11 of The Walking Dead, "Rogue Element"

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At 1900 hours, or Seven in the PM, we're going 11x11 on your asses. This episode introduced a satisfying amount of frustration (we know how that sounds): between the deception wrought upon #EugenePorter (on behalf of #StephanieVega / Shira / #MaxineHawkins), the larger deception of #TheCommonwealth on #Mercer (and Connie/Kelly), and #LanceHornsby showing his cards to #CarolPeletier.

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INITIAL THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS

• Was this episode boring?
• Aliza: Eugene Porter's Shakespearean monologue, Connie in peril? And the Oscar goest to: Josh McDermitt
• Jasmine: A rewatch can do this episode wonders.
• Why did Shira let things go too far?
• Rachael: Questions finally answered?
• Is there an actual Stephanie Vega?
• #CarolBeCaroling
• Bridget: Was this episode inspired by Alfred Hitchcock?
• We see each character in The Commonwealth through the various perspectives of our characters.
• Sherrandy: The writers have been experimenting with different styles; this episode feels like a spy thriller, while 11x06 "On the Inside" felt more like a horror movie.

BLUE WEEVIL TO TATER BUG

• Why does Max (Maxine Hawkins?) come to Eugene, at the end?
• How does Shira know what Eugene said on the radio?
• How did Eugene not catch Shira in her lies?
• Was Max caught while talking to Eugene?
• Was Max in on Lance Hornsby's plan?
• Similar to Fear the Walking Dead Season 2, with Jack tricking Alicia Clark into letting him board The Abigail.
• How long has Max been Pamela Milton's assistant?
• Are Lance, Max, Shira, and the rest of The Plumbers Union working to take down the class divide within The Commonwealth?
  
• History repeats itself: widening class divides always leads to revolution.
• Will Magna join the resistance?
• Was Max blackmailed by Hornsby?
• Aliza: Could Shira, Max, and Mercer all be related?
• Next episode, TWD: The Musical!
• Bridget: Only Eugene gets catfished in the apocalypse!
• Sherrandy performs a little Les Misérables!
• Did the episode leave the audience with more questions than answers?
• How long were Eugene & Max been communicating over the radio, singing When the Wind Blows by Iron Maiden?
• What is Tyler Davis being charged with?
• Names on the paper given to Connie: Garrett Immel (makeup artist), Ramon Guzman (art department), Kirk Riley (stunt performer).
  
  
• Denise Huth (Executive Producer) was previously used as The Governor's wife and Tom Luse (Executive Producer) was used as Pamela Milton's dad.
  
  
• Connie is in The Truman Show.
• What kind of document did Eugene actually sign and was it similar to the document Editor Jan 
  mentioned Tyler Davis signed?
• Was Tyler banished?

LANCE HORNSBY FOR GOVERNOR

• Lance doesn't want the Alexandrians to see the Commonwealth and their communities as separate, but refers to them as different during his confrontation with Eugene.
• Has Lance been moving people up to gain their loyalty?
• Is Lance moving people up or promising to?
• What does Moto's community need money for if they aren't a part of the Commonwealth?
  
• Does Lance want Alexandria to be a Commonwealth outpost?
• Will Moto's arrest tip-off The Commonwealth to Lance's shady dealings?
• How much does Pamela really know?
• Does all the opium go to the hospital?
• 2.5 acres typically produces between 17.6 to 36 pounds per season.
• Is Lance trying to wrestle control of The Commonwealth from Pamela?
• Could Lance be a better leader, since he worked his way to the top?
• Does The Commonwealth even hold (free & fair) elections? Sounds a lot like Tweedism (named after Boss Tweed, who's philosophy was "I don't care who does the electing, as long as I get to do the nominating.").
• The Hilltop formula: Maggie Rhee to Gregory, Paul "Jesus" Rovia to Maggie, Tara Chambler to Jesus. Comparing these two second-in-commands: Simon to Lance.
• Aidan (in the chat): Makes you wish Deanna Monroe was still alive.
• Aliza Standard Time: Aliza leaves us.
• Cult of Personality takes precedence over a candidate's policy-positions, just ask anyone in the debate between John F. Kennedy & Richard Nixon.
  
• Is it harder to come back and re-civilize as opposed to losing it in the first place? Bridget is reminded of the Hatchet series of books, by Gary Paulsen.

GENERAL MERCER

• How similar are Mercer and Lance?
• Tyler Davis was being held in hospital room M33, which is the Master Number in Numerology.
• What if Tyler becomes a martyr?
• "You Mother Puss Bucket" - Moto quotes Bill Murray's Peter Venkman in Ghostbusters.
• Michael Cudlitz (who played Abraham Ford) directed this episode!

DETECTIVE EUGENE ON THE CASE

• Eugene tacked the waffle cone left in his hands the day "Stephanie" disappeared onto the serial killer board
  
  
• The clock hands in the town square are broken, providing an illusion of time or that even time, as a system (like The Commonwealth's society), is broken.
• Juanita "Princess" Sanchez's imaginary lasagna!
  
• As Jasmine leaves us, let's talk Princess: Is she painfully aware of what is going on with Eugene? Bridget & Aidan share how their lives connect with the story Princess tells Eugene.
• Eugene's Kansas City: World's Best Barbeque shirt is reminiscent of his Virginia is for Lovers shirt in The Walking Dead, Season 5. Also similar to Morgan Jones' Don't Mess with Texas shirt he receives from Grace Mukherjee in Fear The Walking Dead, Season 5.
  
  
  
• Does Lance see himself in Carol Peletier?
• Is Lance unintentionally training his replacement?
• Could Lance be crushing on Carol?
• Is Lance planning to use the new Alexandria Safe-Zone recruits to enact his plans?
• Why does Max show up now?
• What is Max risking by approaching Eugene?
• Why should Eugene believe Max?
• Could Max have been banned from speaking with Eugene after falling in love with him?
• What is this plan's endgame?
• Are The Commonwealth and the Civic Republic Military aware of one another?
• Is Pamela the modern version of Gregory?
• Don't care, where's Rick Grimes.
• How will Princess react to finding out that Eugene was right?
• Was disappearing "Stephanie" really as stupid a plan as it sounds?
• Can an admission of temporary emotional/mental distress be held against them?
• How Could Max let this happen to Eugene?
• Proof of economic deflation in The Commonwealth Tribune (Issue 523: which indicates they are 10-years into publication).
  
  

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[Episode 179] Season 11, Episode 10 of The Walking Dead, "New Haunts"

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DECONSTRUCT #THECOMMONWEALTH! …From their economic system to systemic inequality (both spoken and unspoken). Dave's obsession with "allowance". Ninja #CarolPeletier with the long hair's partnership with a vastly more sympathetic #LanceHornsby. And we're here for #Carzekiel & #Mercress / #Princer / #Merces.

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INTRO & INITIAL FEELINGS

• Rachael: Lots more Carol Peletier! Callbacks galore! Trust no one!
• Aidan (in the chat): One of his favs!
• Jasmine: Is King Ezekiel preparing for his own death by giving away his possessions?
• Who will get Dwight’s comic-book death? Ezekiel, Father Gabriel Stokes, Magna, or Rosita Espinosa?
• Jasmine: Carol needs a project, e.g, revenge on Alpha. This time, a cure for Ezekiel.
• Aidan: "She hasn’t lost a kid in a while."
• Bridget: Excited to see the #Carzekiel reunion. Is it a mistake to mash two best friends into a relationship like some want to see with Carol & Daryl Dixon?
• Never bullshit a bullshitter!

NUMBERS

• Carol is staying in apartment 19, which happens to be Chandler's & Joey's apartment on Friends.
• Numerology expert, Rachael, says the number 19 is the sign of a fresh start.
  
  
• Will Carzekiel get back together?
• Callback: Carol went to (Porch Dick) Pete Anderson to threaten him into helping Tara Chambler in the back half of Season 5.
  
  

WELCOME TO THE COMMONWEALTH

• Is RJ Grimes prepared to defend himself?
• Jasmine: The haunted house reminds her of the Hershel Rhee storyline in the final issue of the comic book.
  
  
• Rach: Why aren’t they killing anything?!
• Dave: How insulting is this haunted house?
• Class disparities in The Commonwealth.
• Dave: Is the haunted house the equivalent of a too-soon war reenactment in the TWDU?
• Ezekiel asks Carol if she has gotten word from Maggie Rhee or Lydia.
• Where are Aaron and Gracie?
• Is The Commonwealth large enough that we don't see all of the characters in one episode?
• Were we robbed of a ton of reunions between characters?
• Carol is willing to play Lance Hornsby's game.
  
• What are the consequences for Carol sneaking into the hospital records room?

EZEKIEL SUTTON

• Ezekiel’s last name is revealed to be Sutton.
  
  
• Length of Commonwealth residency for Ezekiel Sutton: 28 days.
• Earl & Tammy Rose Sutton with the same surname.
• Celeste, who won the costume contest dressed as Mercer, is Khary Payton’s daughter, Maya Victory Payton.
  
  

THE COMMONWEALTH WAY

• Are lottery tickets the only upward mobility in The Commonwealth?
• What is the pay gap between jobs? Baker vs Soldier? Lawyer vs Waiter?
• We see the previous year’s lottery winner at the Halloween Gala.
• Can you apply for other jobs in the Commonwealth or are you stuck with what you are assigned?
• How do children factor into this equation, since they didn't have jobs before The Zombie Apocalypse?
• Are Mei and Judith Grimes in different classes?
• What does allowance mean in The Commonwealth?
• Dave: Mommy Pamela Milton’s allowance to the elites.
• Do upper class kids get their pick of the litter when it comes to jobs?
• How does The Commonwealth hospital triage system work?
• Ezekiel is patient #147 in the cue for surgeries. In numerology, Angel Number 147 means an angel is speaking to you: pay attention! It represents a better future!
• Is it frustrating that Ezekiel is a martyr?
  
• Carol will make sure Ezekiel has a choice.

MEET THE MILTONS

• Does nepotism affect Sebastian Milton's role in The Commonwealth?
• Who was Pamela’s glare directed at, when Daryl had to save Sebastian during advanced military training.
• Parenting: Pamela vs Aaron
• Who is Margot Bingham playing? Stephanie Vega or Maxine Hawkins?
• Does Pamela genuinely care about Max or Tyler Davis?
• Is Pamela malicious or does she genuinely think the system works?
• Did Celeste win the costume contest because she was dressed as Mercer?
• Did Max pretend to be Stephanie on the radio?
• Could Max be the one running The Commonwealth behind the scenes? Is she plotting to tear down the Commonwealth?

LANCE HORNSBY & MAX THE MANIPULATOR

• Is Lance manipulating Eugene Porter to ultimately manipulate Pamela?
• Where does Lance’s character go from here?
• Does Lance want Pamela’s job?
• Is Hornsby a part of the resistance?
• Is Lance still trying to impress Pamela Milton?
• Extra! Extra! Dave only has two thoughts!
• A tale of two Stephanies: Poor Eugene!
• Tater Bug & Blue Weevil.
• Where is Chele Ramos' character?
• Where is Eugene in this episode?

MAGNA & MIKO

• Can anyone be a soldier?
• Why does Magna not want to be a soldier?
• Why did Magna even come to The Commonwealth?
• What would happen if Magna and Yumiko Okumura rekindled their relationship? Are such relationships, between classes, sanctioned in The Commonwealth?
• Would you tell Mercer no?
• Do the classes live in sectioned-off/gated dwellings?
• The bigger question: who pulls the trigger to put down the character who assumes the Dwight role?
• Could Aaron or Eugene shoot Gabriel?
• Might Rosita be killed instead (which upsets Aidan, in the chat)?
• Mercer protects his asset with his armored butt-plate.
• Foreshadowing? Sebastian chooses Magna’s war-hammer.
  
  
• Someone recovered Judith’s toothpick, but it is thoughtlessly discarded by Sebastian.
• Are you not ashamed?! But who will recover Pope’s beanie?

WINE BROUGHT TO YOU BY CAROL PELETIER

• The bottles on the Vincenti's Fine Wines invoice, Chateau Du Devoument, Ouro Vipra, and Canard De Pluie translate to House of Devotion, Gold Viper, and Rain Duck.
• Who is at the top of The Commonwealth? Pamela, Lance, Mercer, and Max?
• Is Max the Gold Viper?
• Is Lance the House of Devotion?
• What if Carol were the one to end Magna or Gabriel (the Dwight role in the comic book)?
• Vincenti's real world address may be located in Dover Township, Ohio.
• Sherrandy's take: In the The Walking Dead: World Beyond's Season Finale post-credits scene, they mention Primrose heading to Toledo, Ohio
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• Is there a grander TWDU narrative to The Commonwealth?
• What did Pamela Milton do before the apocalypse?
• What if Primrose is but a 3rd dimension that serves as the foundation of The Commonwealth? Because what comes after The Commonwealth storyline?
• What the date on the invoice might tell us (9/11/2010).
  

GABRIEL, ROSITA, & JUDITH

• Gabriel & Rosita's conversation suggests that they may not be living together.
• Does The Commonwealth have a say in marriages?
• Why did Judith ask Mei for the receipt for the Motorhead album purchase?
• Is Judith afraid of being accused of stealing or having to owe Mei a favor?
• Did Judith want to return the record to pocket the cash (since she's living in the lower class with Daryl)?
• Who are Mei’s parents and are they in the Upper Class?
• Can Mei be trusted?
• On what and where do people spend their money?
• Is Juanita Princess Sanchez's hair sad?
• #MERCESS / #PRINCER / #MERCERESS
  
  

UNLIKELY ALLIES

• We've all felt like Lance Hornsby, entering the gala: when you think someone's waving at you, but they're really waving at the person behind you.
• Where will this Carol & Lance dynamic lead?
• Will Carol be able to stay one step ahead of Lance?
• Shoutout to Melissa McBride & Josh Hamilton!
• Lance Hornsby time outside/before The Commonwealth
• What do you gain by winning The Commonwealth Lottery?
• Is The Lottery an incentive mechanism?

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