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Sunday, May 15, 2022

[Episode 191] Season 7, Episode 12 of Fear The Walking Dead, "Sonny Boy"

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Despite there being noticeable movement in the story arc, frustrations are bubbling (some regard this as welcoming, others not so much): We lose Howard, just after gleaning more of his background, along with #JohnDorieSr as he finally forges a path that give him a sense of closure (doing the right thing for the right reasons... because "it's not too late... it's never too late")
We had to cut out major chunks of this conversation that actually do expand on some of the conversation that we had, but didn't make the final cut. There are also a ton of laughs in the pre-show (which you sort of catch the tail on on into the actual episode intro, if you look at everyone's face as I forge on). Get your hands on this and future unedited episode recordings, along with the ability to join the conversation in our closed recording sessions by supporting the best TWDU podcast out there! Head here:

David Cameo:
Rachael Burt:
Sherrandy Swift:


  • Sherrandy: Favorite episode of the season (and not just because it heavily featured June Dorie).
  • Bridget: Sad to see John Dorie Senior go, but felt he had a fitting end.

  • Rachael: Also sad about JD Senior, but even more upset over Howard's wasted potential.

  • Dave: Relieved that Howard's character had enough nuance to make it ok for him to be yeeted off the roof.
  • Are we seeing a lot of wasted potential in The Walking Dead Universe, in characters such as Howard, John Dorie Sr., Arno, Paul, and Leah Shaw (the last one, from The Walking Dead).

  • Does Strand's Tower change people?
  • OK, but in what way did it change Howard?

  • Is Wes pulling a fast one on Victor Strand or is he all-in on what Strand's dishing out?
  • Sherrandy: Let June be a stand-alone character; Stop pairing her with Dories!

  • Could another member of the Dorie family be out there, like John Dorie's long-lost twin? Perhaps his mother, Dawn Dorie? πŸ˜…
  • Dave: Are JD Sr & Daniel Salazar make it up to their lost family (John Dorie, Jr & Ofelia Salazar, respectively) buy building a better future for their found-family (Baby Morgan & Charlie, respectively)?
  • Could gutting-up have been safer and, perhaps, allowed JD Sr to survive?

  • But where is Baby Mo safest: Inside or Outside Strand's Tower?

  • What will Strand do now that Baby Mo is gone?
  • Sherrandy: What does the concept of a legacy matter in a dead world?
  • Has Strand inadvertently made it so that The Tower residents are frightened that they, too, will eventually be yeeted off the rooftop?
  • Was June able to build a resistance because of all of the rooftop yeeting?
  • If so, just where is June getting all of these walkies?
  • Is it remotely possible that Howard could have planted some of the walkies or was he truly invested in Strand's vision for The Tower?
  • Did Howard allow Victor to assume ownership over The Tower or did view their relationship as more of a partnership?
  • What does it say that, even after his death, we still question Howard’s true feelings/intentions?
  • Even if it's a very small part, do you feel sorry that Howard was yeeted?
  • Why does JD Sr spare Victor's life when he had the perfect opportunity?
  • Dave & Sherrandy discuss the musket-ball-stopping bible that's on Howard's desk? So is it supposed to represent Sam Houston's or Charles Merril's?
  • And, of course, among Howard's historical antiquities is (Fear The Walking Dead historical canon) Deadeye Driscoll's boots. Driscoll was shot and killed by John Dorie II at Blackwater (and even got his picture in the paper).
  • How do you feel about Wes' behavior throughout this episode?
  • What are Wes' intentions?
  • Victor Strand should hire Kim Wexler (Better Call Saul) to defend him in court (charged with Crimes Against Humanity). (Un)fortunately, the prosecution is represented by none other than Saul Goodman.
  • Call Dave Crazy: Did you hear a man yelling "Help!", twice: first, as JD Sr is about to hand off Baby Mo to Adult Morgan Jones, then second, as Baby Mo is physically handed off? This reminds us of the Yanny vs Laurel aural phenomenon.
  • Was JD, Senior’s storyline originally intended for JD, Jr?

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