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Sunday, June 10, 2018

[RECAP] Season 4, Episode 5 of Fear The Walking Dead, "Laura"

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By Carolina Gallardo (@carolgallardo)

We have had our share of hook ups and fleeting romantic relationships within the Walking Dead universe, most notably the relationship between Glenn and Maggie comes to mind.  But it is incredibly rare to see the development of a sincere, budding romance in these kind of dismal conditions.  This dynamic of sincerity, cynicism, and love found, conquered and lost is the basis for the fifth episode of the season, entitled after John Dorie's enigmatic love interest.  The story in essence is so simple and pure...and that's largely why it's such a satisfying episode.

The episode begins with an glimpse into John Dorie's life after the Apocalypse, but before we initially met him in his interaction with Morgan.  We see that he wasn't always this sort of caricature-like gunslinger.  He was just a man, that essentially created himself an island (both emotionally and literally), in order to survive in these dire conditions.  We see that he had that trout alarm clock (did anyone else get really excited when they saw that or *gasp* possibly OWN that??) that wakes him up in the morning so that I suppose, he does not oversleep.

FUN FACT: The song being played by the trout alarm clock is "Take me to the River" by Al Green.  Fitting, no?

In any case, it appears that John Dorie likes to maintain his routine and waking up at a set time every morning is part of that.  Along with that, we see that he has other day-to-day activities that he follows: Contributing to his compost machine/generator, renting out movies from the local Bait & Tackle Shop, killing the occasional walkers that attempt to cross his moat, and meticulously cleaning his (2) showpiece guns that he never actually uses (he uses an ax instead to do his dirty work).  His nights seem to be spent typically watching the rental movies he's gotten and even playing scrabble against himself (not a bad way to keep your mind active right?)...but then lying in bed, trying unsuccessfully to get himself to fall asleep. 

It's during one of those sleepless nights that he hears some commotion outside his home.  Upon rushing out, he sees an injured woman passed out in a boat, docked at his shore.  WE, as the viewing audience, are well aware that this is Naomi, the same woman that Madison and crew encountered in episode 2, "Another Day in the Diamond".  It seems that this incident has taken place before that encounter and John Dorie, good man that he is, immediately lifts her and carries her into his home and bed to tend to her wounds.  Upon inspection, it seems that Naomi has a large slice on her side, but always one to look on the bright side, John Dorie states that it at least is not a walker bite and therefore can be mended.  That said, he bandages her up and lets her sleep.

When he wakes up the next day, he wakes to see that his home has been ransacked, cabinet doors left wide open as evidence.  John Dorie then runs outside and sees that Naomi is in his truck, feverishly looking for the car keys to no avail.  Rather than run and stop her however, he accepts the fact that she wants to leave and tells her WHERE the keys are in the car....Only the car battery doesn't work.  Naomi tries to start the car but after sputtering lifelessly, she resigns herself that her plan has failed.  John Dorie then tells her that if she INSISTS on leaving, to at least allow him to help her get her strength back so that she's better equipped to go back out there on her own.  She begrudgingly accepts his offer...with the understanding that she WILL be leaving at some point soon.

Once inside, he begins the process of helping her recover which includes (yikes) sewing up that nasty gash on her abdomen.  He does this based on her instruction and guidance, which gives us clues that Naomi perhaps might've had a past in medicine/nursing and we that John Dorie picks up on this detail as well.  Later on, he goes as far as to prepare fish soup for her and give her some clothes, as he's showing her the bed that will now be her's for as long as she wants it.  Ever the considerate man, he's even created a sort of curtain rod privacy screen for when she sleeps for some semblance of privacy as he sleeps on the couch.  He assures her that it's not a big deal since he's had issues sleeping as of late.  He is able to accurately infer based on her earlier guidance that she was in fact a nurse, prior to the apocalypse.  It's also at this point at the end of the night that he tries to ask her what in the world her name is but all he receives in response to that question is a Thank You for all his help.  He finally dubs her LAURA, because he states that she looks like a Laura.  And therefore moving forward, Naomi will now be referred to as Laura (got it?).


And so goes the back and forth dance between John Dorie and Laura.  The next day, he and Laura paddle in his boat to a nearby Bait shop to get some supplies and they talk further.  John Dorie shares that he was a cop before all of this happened but he prefers to not use firearms unless there is no other option.  They come across some walkers in the water and realize that there's a fence that has been leveled on the overpass and that's where they're coming from.  Once they actually GET to the store, they start picking up items that they need: Laura gets a backpack and various medical supplies; John Dorie proceeds to check out tonight's Movie of the Night.

It's at this movie night back at the house that Laura opts to join John Dorie on the couch to watch, only to eventually release what she's been holding in by simply stating, "I lost my child".  And with that powerful sentence she gets up from the couch and goes to bed.

After this incident, Laura and John Dorie continue their day to day lives of healing, surviving and getting to know each other.  With the removal of Laura's stitches, she feels that her date of departure is imminently approaching, much to his sadness and disappointment.  In the meantime however, John Dorie teaches her how to fish, a skill that acknowledges will come in incredibly useful in this new world.  At night, they eat the fish that they capture and play scrabble with each other.  Not a bad way to exist, all things being considered.

The next day, they decide to go up to the overpass to try and patch up the broken fence where walkers are stumbling through into the watery depths below and subsequently washing ashore to John Dorie's property.  He notices that she has brought with her his guns, which infuriates him since he feels the use of guns only attracts more walkers.  Once they set up the car in the position needed, a walker rips through the paper covering the driver's side window, reaching for John Dorie...yet he still refuses to use his weapon, even with Laura screaming at him to shoot.  Instead he manages to get a hold of a knife and begins to mercilessly stab the walker in the head until both he and Laura are covered in blood.



On their way back, Laura attempts to find out why John is so adamant about refusing to use a firearm, because she can sense there's more to it than just attracting walkers.  He finally reveals HIS deep secret from his past, specifically during his days as a police officer.  He was in a situation where he was facing a would be robber at a gas station and since he did not heed his warning, he was forced to shoot him in the leg.  This was supposed to be just a flesh wound but the assailant instead bled out and died, as a result of his shot.  He was revered as a hero but he felt a huge weight of guilt for what he did which led him to live his life as a pacifistic recluse in this cabin on an island he created for himself.

That night, John once again hears a commotion and when he goes outside he sees that a herd of walkers have washed up on his shores.  He screams for Laura and she comes running and they both begin to immediately attack in unison.  At one point however, Laura is overwhelmed by a group of walkers and ends up tumbling into a trench along with other walkers.

Talk about INTENSE.

It's at this point that Laura screams for John's help and much to her surprise, John, with expert skill and ease executes perfect head shots on all the walkers around her with his two showpiece pistols.  He has saved her.

Once inside the house, John goes back to cleaning his guns and while Laura thanks him for everything he's done, assuring him that he is a just and honorable person, he offers to her one of his pistols.  He insists that if she's going to be out there on her own, he should have this to keep on her side for protection.  That night, during another movie night, Laura opts to sit closer to John rather than the far end of the couch.  She attempts to make conversation and she notices that he is distant and uncomfortable.  He finally gets up and walks away from the couch, asking her to just leave him be, as she questions why he is acting differently.  He finally admits that he loves her but he doesn't want her to know this because she's just going to leave and he'll be left alone.  He only wants her to stay alive because as long as she's alive, he feels alive again as well.


Wow, this was definitely one of those "You make me want to be a better man" moments...except in a zombie post apocalyptic environment.  A pretty rare moment.

In any case, they embrace but, in the harsh light of the morning, John wakes up and cannot find Laura anywhere.  Instead she has left a message in the scrabble tiles stating "I Love You, I'm Sorry".  OUCH.

We then rejoin the present and realize that John had been recounting this story to Morgan, in the wake of receiving the gun he originally gave to Laura from Luciana, along with the scrabble tiles (a memento he seems to carry with him).  He wonders if it was a big mistake to ever tell Laura that he loved her but Morgan emotionally tells him never to say such a thing since in this world, time is so limited that once never knows if that interaction will be the last one.  John agrees and together the two of them march down the road together....but to where exactly is still to be determined.

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Saturday, April 17, 2021

[Episode 129] Season 6, Episode 8 of Fear The Walking Dead, "The Door"

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Therapy Circle? More like Group Therapy: all of us were affected by the tragedy of this episode (not just the death of #JohnDorie, but the unstoppable-force-meets-immovable-object of both his and Dakota's ideologies) and, by the end of this recording, we realized that this episode ended up being more of a love letter to our dearly departed than anything else... and that just made sense.
Although this was quite a long recording, our pre/post show recordings continue the healing process, if you can believe it. we continue discussing this episode far more frankly in the unedited version. To grab it and join us in the next recording while supporting this #podcast, head here:


David Cameo:
Rachael Burt:

  • To Believe by The Cinematic Orchestra: Perfect song playing while John Dorie is falling under water.

  • The Zombie Apocalypse doesn’t change John (like it does other #TWDUniverse characters), he just became a cowboy full time (instead of just on weekends).
  • The symbol of hope.
  • Parallels to Meet John Doe.
  • The catalyst for June’s transformation.
  • #BelieveInJune
  • We’re all going to miss John.
  • #DIEkota.
  • Even John’s death will mean something.
  • Understanding Dakota’s point of view, product of her environment.
  • Dave finally admits Dakota saved Morgan Jones.
  • Timeline triggers!
  • 2 weeks since John saw June: she can’t risk Ginny's Rangers finding him.
  • Should Morgan give June the scrabble tiles (Goodbye June)?
  • Rabbi Jacob Kessner has the letter John wrote to June in The Key.
  • John bears the weight of Janis’ death.
  • Parallels to Laura: John cleaning his guns in the beginning of both episodes.
  • Meet John Doe playing while John prepares to take his own life (D.B. Norton, the antagonist, telling him his suicide will mean nothing).
  • Melissa McBride on set during the filming of Laura.
  • John is too good for this world: mixed feelings about (not) killing Marcus.
  • It’s been a long time since we’ve lost a main character. Remember when @Celtictso educated us on "radioactive blood" hitting Alicia’s mouth?
  • Could John have evolved into someone who could live in this new world?
  • We killed John Dorie?

  • Had John survived, we wouldn't recognize him.
  • June will carry The John Dorie Movement forward.
  • What does Fear The Walking Dead look like without its characters inspiring hope?
  • John lived in a bubble that would've eventually popped.
  • It's not The Zombie Apocalypse that transforms John: It's Love.
  • Had June never met John, June would've turned out a lot different.
  • June allows John to live in this world: we've seen him waiver with Dwight & Strand.
  • The Zombie Apocalypse is a free for all: a world with no consequences.
  • Could(n't) anyone have sympathy for Dakota?
  • June will survive John’s death, but how will Morgan fair?
  • Charlie taking out Dakota might be more palatable to the audience (than Morgan murdering a child). June could also coerce Ginny to kill Dakota (via @BlazyGardener)
  • More Parallels: Charlie handing John his hat right side up; Dakota hands it to him upside down.
  • Dakota vs. Charlie: similar, but completely different circumstances.
  • We know nothing about Virginia & Dakota’s estranged relationship.
  • There were literally know hints that Dakota saved Morgan (with many opportunities to chime in).
  • Symmetry with the water line: Beginning with John in the canoe; Ending with him falling into the water.
  • Heavy attention on John Dorie Sr.: his pistols, truck, and the picture of he and John Dorie Jr.

  • Dakota and (sympathy for) psychopaths.
  • Virginia’s genuine, but confusing (given our lack of knowledge) love for Dakota.
  • @Blazygardener reverses course: says Ginny manipulated June into saving her life in Tank Town.
  • Rumor has it The End is the Beginning death cult is the most formidable antagonist in The Walking Dead Universe. Sure could've used a sharp-shooter for that...
  • John wanted to be free of The Passed/Past
  • Sherrandy is Morgan, "You gave me this family, man"
  • Even Fear The Walking Dead's critics mostly rallied around John Dorie's demise.
  • Even Seasons 1-3 allow you to appreciate Season 6: watching Alicia’s steady growth.
  • The world, to Dakota, has no meaning: People, to her, have no inherent value.
  • What is a fair punishment for Dakota? If she's seeking a world with consequences, she might just get more than she bargained for.
  • #TWDUniverseFamily is the best: it's why we do this.
  • With enough determination, you might just get what you want, John, even if you try to pull back at the last moment.
  • June's memento mori with walker John: she, of all characters, can afford to stop time.

  • another thank you to AMC & Valhalla for delaying this episode.
  • Further analysis on To Believe by The Cinematic Orchestra: In this fantastic world, where belief is essential to reality, in the absence of anything to believe in, be the person in whom others can believe.

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Sunday, June 10, 2018

[RECAP] Season 4, Episode 1 of Fear The Walking Dead, "What's Your Story?"

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By Carolina Gallardo (@carolgallardo)

With The Walking Dead season 8 now in the books, one might ask, what are we to do now?  Well, AMC's very own FEAR The Walking Dead has been increasingly gaining a following as well as positive critical reviews.  It appears that the redheaded stepchild of The Walking Dead has finally come into its own.  So much so, that this co-podcaster that had never seen ONE EPISODE of FEAR decided that with the Morgan crossover (and the prospect of a larger crossover down the line), it was time to jump on the bandwagon and assess the show for myself.

NOTE: Now please bear in mind that I did NOT do a blitz of seasons 1 through 3, but rather read a 50 page "Cliff Notes" online version of the previous seasons, in the interest of time (#momlife #corporatelife).  All in all, I think it did a pretty good job of getting me up to date so thanks IGN!

The first episode of the season was in every sense a transition episode.  This is made explicitly clear by the fact that our main characters do not even make an appearance until the last few minutes of the episode.  Instead, we start off the episode with what appears to be a cowboy sitting at a campfire.  Upon hearing some rustling in the woods, he starts talking to who may be there but, in essence, is really talking to himself.  Eventually Morgan emerges, after having killed the walker that was the lurking threat.  We then get a flashback that takes us to Morgan right after the war with the Saviors (pretty much where Season 8 of TWD ends).  He had settled into solitary living at the junkyard when he is approached by several members of TWD (Jesus, Carol and finally Rick), in an attempt to convince him to rejoin their community and society in general.  Rick even makes the plea that "You can hide, but you can't run".  A statement to express as much as Morgan may want to escape organized society and relationships, he cannot avoid it because whether he likes it or not, society will find HIM.

This seems to resonate with Morgan and he decides to try to run away as far as possible from Alexandria and Virginia in general.  After a mixture of walking, running and driving, he eventually arrives in Texas and crosses paths with John Dorie (the cowboy).  John wants to know Morgan's story but Morgan resists this at every turn.  They eventually both come across a camp with trailers with numbered flags (after Morgan tries to ditch a lovable John Dorie who's only trying to be his friend), where they are held up at gunpoint...and saved just in time by another stranger named Althea (or Al).

Side note, for those out there who may play Overwatch (DISCLAIMER: Not me, my husband), Althea bears a striking resemblance to the character Tracer.  Am I right??)


In any case, Althea helps John Dorie and Morgan just in the nick of time (with a pretty awesome SWAT car by the way that looks like a cross between a SWAT car and the Batmobile from The Dark Knight) and we find out that she used to be a journalist.  It seems however that once a journalist, always a journalist, though, because Althea is absolutely hell bent on getting the story of a survivor she comes across.  We learn through John Dorie's videotaped interview with Althea that he is looking for his love named Laura and he is certain that he will find her.  Morgan seems to resist and resist at every turn until he finally succumbs to Althea's persuasion and gives her his "story".  Or as much of his story that he's comfortable sharing.  He shares information about Atlanta, Virginia, The Kingdom and Shiva (of all things to bring up).  But the essence of his story and his mantra that he states before he leaves them to travel on his own (even though he sustained a bullet wound injury in his thigh) is the sad statement "I lose people and then I lose myself".

With this heartbreaking declaration, Morgan attempts to venture the road alone, trying to catch up to a walker, in an attempt to confirm if it was the same individual he saw injured in a car earlier, who insisted on being left alone (it was).  Before he can become eventually overcome by walkers, John Dorie appears in the background and literally has his back.  After burying the walker himself, Morgan finally agrees to travel with John Dorie and Althea, temporarily only, of course.

As they continue to drive, however, they see what appears to be an injured woman in the road.  They opt to stop and see what they can do to help her but the tables quickly turn as the injured woman ISN'T injured but is actually Alicia, acting as a decoy.  Once she has them where she needs them, we see Nick, Strand, and Luciana all emerge with weapons, holding Morgan, Althea and John Dorie capture.

We end with Althea asking them, what's THEIR story?

With Madison glaringly missing from the group, what's their story is very much the question of the hour.

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Sunday, May 15, 2022

[Episode 191] Season 7, Episode 12 of Fear The Walking Dead, "Sonny Boy"

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Despite there being noticeable movement in the story arc, frustrations are bubbling (some regard this as welcoming, others not so much): We lose Howard, just after gleaning more of his background, along with #JohnDorieSr as he finally forges a path that give him a sense of closure (doing the right thing for the right reasons... because "it's not too late... it's never too late")
We had to cut out major chunks of this conversation that actually do expand on some of the conversation that we had, but didn't make the final cut. There are also a ton of laughs in the pre-show (which you sort of catch the tail on on into the actual episode intro, if you look at everyone's face as I forge on). Get your hands on this and future unedited episode recordings, along with the ability to join the conversation in our closed recording sessions by supporting the best TWDU podcast out there! Head here:

David Cameo:
Rachael Burt:
Sherrandy Swift:

🎖SURVIVORS TIER MEMBERS:
Bridget:

  • Sherrandy: Favorite episode of the season (and not just because it heavily featured June Dorie).
  • Bridget: Sad to see John Dorie Senior go, but felt he had a fitting end.

  • Rachael: Also sad about JD Senior, but even more upset over Howard's wasted potential.

  • Dave: Relieved that Howard's character had enough nuance to make it ok for him to be yeeted off the roof.
  • Are we seeing a lot of wasted potential in The Walking Dead Universe, in characters such as Howard, John Dorie Sr., Arno, Paul, and Leah Shaw (the last one, from The Walking Dead).

  • Does Strand's Tower change people?
  • OK, but in what way did it change Howard?

  • Is Wes pulling a fast one on Victor Strand or is he all-in on what Strand's dishing out?
  • Sherrandy: Let June be a stand-alone character; Stop pairing her with Dories!

  • Could another member of the Dorie family be out there, like John Dorie's long-lost twin? Perhaps his mother, Dawn Dorie? 😅
  • Dave: Are JD Sr & Daniel Salazar make it up to their lost family (John Dorie, Jr & Ofelia Salazar, respectively) buy building a better future for their found-family (Baby Morgan & Charlie, respectively)?
  • Could gutting-up have been safer and, perhaps, allowed JD Sr to survive?

  • But where is Baby Mo safest: Inside or Outside Strand's Tower?

  • What will Strand do now that Baby Mo is gone?
  • Sherrandy: What does the concept of a legacy matter in a dead world?
  • Has Strand inadvertently made it so that The Tower residents are frightened that they, too, will eventually be yeeted off the rooftop?
  • Was June able to build a resistance because of all of the rooftop yeeting?
  • If so, just where is June getting all of these walkies?
  • Is it remotely possible that Howard could have planted some of the walkies or was he truly invested in Strand's vision for The Tower?
  • Did Howard allow Victor to assume ownership over The Tower or did view their relationship as more of a partnership?
  • What does it say that, even after his death, we still question Howard’s true feelings/intentions?
  • Even if it's a very small part, do you feel sorry that Howard was yeeted?
  • Why does JD Sr spare Victor's life when he had the perfect opportunity?
  • Dave & Sherrandy discuss the musket-ball-stopping bible that's on Howard's desk? So is it supposed to represent Sam Houston's or Charles Merril's?
  • And, of course, among Howard's historical antiquities is (Fear The Walking Dead historical canon) Deadeye Driscoll's boots. Driscoll was shot and killed by John Dorie II at Blackwater (and even got his picture in the paper).
  • How do you feel about Wes' behavior throughout this episode?
  • What are Wes' intentions?
  • Victor Strand should hire Kim Wexler (Better Call Saul) to defend him in court (charged with Crimes Against Humanity). (Un)fortunately, the prosecution is represented by none other than Saul Goodman.
  • Call Dave Crazy: Did you hear a man yelling "Help!", twice: first, as JD Sr is about to hand off Baby Mo to Adult Morgan Jones, then second, as Baby Mo is physically handed off? This reminds us of the Yanny vs Laurel aural phenomenon.
  • Was JD, Senior’s storyline originally intended for JD, Jr?

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Monday, February 1, 2021

[Episode 110] Season 6, Episode 4 of Fear The Walking Dead, "The Key"

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All the characters focused on, thus far, have gone through an evolution of some kind. None of them had it easy but, for the most part, they broke on through and were better off for it. "The key" here is that all of these changes were necessary more than anything else. #JohnDorie needed to see which way was up - and finally does, by the end of this episode - but at what cost?
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David Cameo:
Rachael Burt:

  • Comparing John Dorie to Althea in the last episode
  • Transformations
  • Morgan & Daniel's secret BOOM shack
  • Spray painter/Death Cult catches up, but don’t know Ginny
  • Ginny’s no dummy
  • A Mirror of the episode (4x04) "Laura"
  • The Color Green & Rot/Poison: Green/Dirty flames, Dorie’s tooth, Green Key flag
  • Officer Dorie in isolation
  • John is Ginny's pawn
  • Janis & Cameron: Did Strand/Ginny play a part in this relationship? They did have supplies 
  • Does John feel responsible for Janis’ death?
  • Strand vs. Carol 
  • Ginny’s Psychological torture of John Dorie: Bringing back June
  • Savior Strand sees the bigger picture
  • Janis was a marked woman and Stand stopped John from being next
  • Disrespect at Cameron’s funeral: Is Ginny showing her rangers the earring? Hats off/on
  • Hero Dorie: Dakota, "Ever kill anybody?"
  • Where does Dakota stand?
  • Strand is the only one attempting to stop John
  • Pulling an "Otis"

  • Necessary Evolutions
  • Myrna Rowland's, "As long as I have you" describe John & June, at this moment.
  • Dillahunt is a lefty, Dorie is a righty: Jenna & Garret received tactical  training

  • Chessmaster Ginny: Cameron’s death was a test for John Dorie
  • Strand infiltrating Ginny’s inner circle: Like Negan & The Whisperers? ...Hopefully?

  • What is going through Dakota’s mind?
  • How things work vs. how they should work
  • Unhappy Reunion
  • Jenna could not prepare us for just how dark this season is

  • Dave's friend watching TWDUniverse: gets a new segment called Matty’s Corner?
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Sunday, June 10, 2018

[RECAP] Season 4, Episode 6 of Fear The Walking Dead, "Just in Case"

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By Carolina Gallardo (@carolgallardo)

This episode of Fear the Walking Dead entitled "Just in Case" again, plays around with time, which is the only way that we get further visibility to Madison and her potential role within this scenario.  Unfortunately, we still do not have answers as to where in the world is Madison or if she is even alive at this rate.  But this episode will likely serve as another piece of the puzzle that will eventually fall into place (we hope).

We start off the episode by John Dorie and Morgan still walking down the road and coming across a man who we eventually uncover to be a vulture.  Prior to his run in with them, we see the man enter a building and completely strip it of any and all useful parts and components.  This includes goods, of course, but also light bulbs and even the metal hinges off of a door frame (very odd).  As he exits said building, John Dorie and Morgan creep up on him for behind with a weapon, causing him to raise his arms.  This is an interesting moment of tension considering that we only see this scene from the point of view of the vulture, but we don't actually SEE John Dorie and Morgan here, but rather, only hear John's voice, describing to the vulture what his options are.

Inevitably, things take a turn for the worse and, much like he had to do in his past, he fires a "warning" shot at the vulture, shooting off a finger.  He becomes incensed and holds him against a car, demanding information on where he is going and on Laura's whereabouts.  They finally uncover a hand scratched map from him that they decide to follow to see what they can uncover.

We then move into the past where we are exposed to more of Naomi and Madison at the stadium.  Naomi is proving herself useful by using her nursing skills to remove shrapnel from Alicia's arm.  It's at this point that Madison shares that they are running dangerously low on food and she's going to have to go out and venture out to see what can be found.  In the meantime, we see that the Vultures are still hanging out outside the stadium...waiting.  Talk about ominous and persistent.  Madison and Strand take this all in while talking and taking swings from the same bottle of alcohol.  Eventually they hear some commotion and when they run down, they see that Naomi was attempting to leave.  She insists that she knows of a place where they could get seeds and other items they need so they let her proceed...but accompanied by Madison and Strand.  


Nightfall hits and their vehicle stops at what appears to be an abandoned motel for the night.  It's during this time in the motel that Naomi reveals that her original intention for this trip had nothing to do with getting supplies back to the stadium, but rather to return to the FEMA outpost she came from.  Strand is livid over Naomi's wishy-washiness and demands her car keys from her, for safe keeping.  Little did Strand know that Naomi is an expert at hot wiring cars which is exactly what she did as they slept.  True to her word, she drives until she backs it back to the FEMA outpost she mentioned.  She eventually enters and finds a trunk full of various useful items (maps, instructions on gardening, landscaping etc), but as she continues to explore the space, she begins to notice the random dead bodies on the ground and the finally children's artwork hung up on a fridge.  It's the sight of this artwork that brings Naomi to her knees and creates a noise disturbance attracting the heard of walkers already inside.  She runs and climbs an interior scaffolding that allows her to sit perched above it all, tearfully apologizing to the walkers below.   

Luckily for her, eventually Madison and Strand burst into the building and, after a tense makeshift zip line, Naomi is rescued and they all leave the building.  Once outside, Naomi finally shares her story: She and her daughter once lived at this FEMA Center with many others that became their friends.  Sadly, her daughter inevitably became very sick, forcing Naomi to go out and score the area for antibiotics.  She eventually was able to get antibiotics but by the time she returned with them, her daughter had taken a turn for the worst and she died.  She couldn't bring herself to kill her before she turned and that decision allowed for the FEMA center to fall apart from the inside.  It's for this reason that Naomi carries this immense burden of guilt and remorse, primarily because she feels largely responsible for the death of all these people.  Ironically, it's Strand that reassures her that if he was not beyond salvation, surely she is still redeemable, at least in their eyes.  

They then load up a Range Rover and a truck with all the supplies found at the FEMA Center including goods, seeds, and various other agricultural supplies that are critically needed at the stadium.  They then all return to the stadium triumphantly with their newly found goods, much to Mel's surprise.  Madison and him have an exchange and while he and the vultures collect themselves up and leave, it is not before Mel gives Madison an ominous warning that things could easily go bad very quickly.  This seems to stick with Madison since while everyone is in a celebratory mood, prepping the land for all the seeds that will need to be propagated, she stands at a post looking around at the landscape.  When Alicia comes to her to see what she is doing, she instructs Alicia to take some of the goods and supplies and pack them in the Range Rover.  Just in case.


We finally return to the present day where we see that Morgan and John Dorie have arrived a track of some sort.  They are surprised to find our crew in Althea's SWAT car ALSO arrive at he same spot, apparently all following the maps drafted by the vultures.  Alicia holds John Dorie and Morgan at bay with her space age looking gun (though for reasons not completely clear to me since she knows who they are).  It's at this point then, that we see a caravan of cars and trucks arrive and we realize the vultures have arrived at their apparent meeting spot.  Mel immediately exits and we get a sense of anguish and emotional pain on his face.  Everyone has a gun raised at each other and Mel manages to tell Alicia that he's sorry about her brother (Nick).  Unfortunately, Alicia says she's not sorry about his.   SAVAGE. 

This moment of high tension however, is broken by the sound of a woman's voice on the walkie talkie, asking Mel what's the hold up.  The owner of this voice then arrives.  In a Range Rover.  And out of said Range Rover exits Naomi, looking more powerful in a leather jacket and hair done in plaits.  John Dorie immediately says her name, Naomi says his and he goes to her, Alicia (for reasons again, I'm not entirely clear on) shoots John Dorie on the side.  He immediately goes down and we are left with the image of Naomi and Morgan tending to him, as his life hangs in the balance.

So what happened between these two groups to cause this level of emotion?  At this point, it seems to go far beyond one group simply wanting the other group's "stuff".  And again, where is Madison?

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