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Wednesday, November 7, 2018

[RECAP] Season 9, Episode 5 of The Walking Dead, "What Comes After"

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By Carolina Gallardo (@carolgallardo)

Well, after much marketing and hype by AMC, we have finally arrived at what has been continuously billed as "Rick Grimes' Final Episode".  Only...it is and it isn't his final episode.  And what's more?  It was probably the best, most exciting episode in YEARS.  Confused?  Let's elaborate.

When we last left off our hero, Rick Grimes was left lying on a piece of concrete, impaled on a some rebar, as two converging herds slowly neared.  We can see that he is dipping in and out of consciousness with the phase "What is your wound?" being asked by a male voice, popping in and out throughout the episode.  He eventually comes to after hallucinating that he was talking to his comatose self at the hospital and telling himself to "WAKE UP" (and seeing a swarm helicopters, *hint hint*).  When he comes to, he sees the looming heard and he uses his belt to throw it on a higher piece of rebar and (ugh, I want to close my eyes just typing this) pull himself off the piece that impaled him.  That was without a doubt one of the most cringe worthy, painful scenes ever filmed on this show that I had to watch.  And listen, when your own husband has to turn his head because he cant stomach watching the scene, you KNOW it's intense.

In any case, he's able to get off, hold his wound to prevent himself from completely bleeding out and hoists himself onto his white horse, starting to lead the herd away from the area.  And so begins, Rick Grimes' journey to find and protect his family.  What follows are a series of hallucinations during his route, that occur at points where Rick is losing strength and is knocking on death's door.  These are the moments where he has contact with some of his lost loved ones, who provide guidance, support and remind him to "WAKE UP".

But before we get to Rick's story (obviously the significant story), we need to address the Maggie-Negan confrontation.  Maggie ends up arriving at Alexandria and eventually ends up convincing Michonne to allow her to see Negan, even though Michonne knows that Maggie simply wants to kill Negan.  Maggie enters Negan's quarters and he immediately starts egging her on, trying to incite her anger.  This begins to work but Maggie wants to see his face and asks him to step into the light and get on his knees.  Losing her patience, she grabs him and flings him against a wall.  It's at this point that Negan breaks down into tears and implores Maggie TO kill him.  That this is something he is not able to do himself and that her killing him would finally set him free and would allow him to be his loved one, his wife Lucille.  Maggie then realizes Negan is in a far worse place mentally than she ever could've imagined and therefore she leaves him to suffer in his own personal hell.  The absolute tearful, broken site of Negan in this scene was utterly heartbreaking but again, I am a Negan apologist so do with that information what you will. Regardless, Jeffrey Dean Morgan was incredible in this scene and it needs to be said and noted.

Now back to Rick: The first hallucination comes when Rick takes a break in a cabin to tend to his wound and it involves *gasp* Shane!  YES.  Shane Walsh himself, the original bad ass.  Rick and Shane sit in their old police car and catch up and joke, just the way they would've done back when they were partners.  Shane even goes so far as to ask Rick how's his little girl and does she have my eyes?  OUCH.  Shane bold as hell, even in the afterlife.  Seriously though, Shane fully acknowledges that Rick needed to do what he did, after Rick apologizes for of course, being the one that killed him.  Shane tells him that he understands and that he takes full credit for the evolution of Rick Grimes from Officer Friendly to a savage beast that would bite a man's throat out and hack threatening forces in a church (yes, Rick Grimes did all that), if need be.  He tells him he always knew he had it in him and those situations prove it.  When Rick tries to tell him that he's just a guy looking for his family, Shane tells him that he shouldn't be here and he needs to WAKE UP

Rick wakes up just in the nick of time, since walkers start to descend on the cabin and he narrowly escapes and climbs back on the horse.  He continues on and his next hallucination involves *tear* Hershel.  Rick is back on the farm with Hershel and he is especially emotional, apologizing for not doing more to be able to save his life.  Hershel assures him that he's fine and that he knows his daughter (Maggie) is strong and now with a child, she is even stronger.  Rick talks about being tired and continues to insist about seeing his family but Hershel assures him that this is not the place he needs to be and that he needs to WAKE UP.

Again, Rick wakes up and continues on, still losing a significant amount of blood and still slipping in out of consciousness.  We see that he's on a trajectory heading to the bridge, as Daryl recommended that he should.  As he starts to slip again, he has another hallucination where he is back at the hospital (IE the pilot episode).  He is walking down the same hallways but this time he unlocks and opens the doors labeled "DO NOT OPEN; DEAD OUTSIDE".  Upon opening the door, he is greeted with a bright light and he finds himself standing on a horizon completely filled with bodies.  Bodies of some that have already passed, bodies of people he knows are alive right now.  Eventually, Sasha stands up from the sea of bodies and talks to Rick.  He is again apologetic but Sasha reassures him that it is all a cycle and that everything that we all learn and help each other and pass that along.  But most importantly, he needs to WAKE UP.

He finally does and he is back at the campsite, horse now gone.  The campsite is deserted (seriously, what happened after the firefight?  Well, I guess it doesn't really matter now) but the walkers are overrunning it.  Rick manages to get a few head shots in, even while mortally wounded (what a bad ass) but then realizes he needs to get out of there and fast.

He then begins the slow arduous task of dragging himself, limping, toward the infamous bridge. It's at this point that we see the whole cavalry squad arrive and run over the bridge and start taking out all the walkers.  Michonne embraces the wounded Rick and tells him that she loves him because he is such a fighter but...none of this is real.  And he needs to WAKE UP.

He then finally comes to, alone, on the bridge.  The walkers start advancing over the bridge but unfortunately the bridge does not give and they just keep on coming.  This time, however, the cavalry really DOES show up and it is REAL.  They are not on the bridge but rather below the bridge and Daryl starts shooting walkers to prevent Rick from getting bit.  Michonne, Carol and Maggie on their part, run with a terrified urgency to try to get to Rick before it's too late.  Unfortunately, Rick notes the dynamite on the bridge that had been used in a previous episode to clear an area.  He utters that he "found them", his family, and he then shoots the dynamite which promptly triggers a huge explosion, blowing up the bridge and, we assume, himself in the process.  Michonne is devastated and her crumbling on the ground, being restrained by Maggie and Carol was utterly wrenching to watch.  And if that wasn't enough, Daryl's face crumpling into tears and dejectedly walking away likely put you over the edge.


But...it's not over yet.  Rule #1 of The Walking Dead: Until you see a body, it's not official.  

We then see Jadis, in communication via her walkie talkie with the helicopter again, and this time, she is by the river stream flowing with walkers from the bridge.  Not only that, the camera pans and we then see Rick Grimes STILL ALIVE, but obviously insured, washed ashore by the river.  Jadis sees him and immediately radios the helicopter stating that she doesn't have an A but she does have a B and this B is a friend who desperately needs aid.  The helicopter obliges her deal and it touches down and we even start hearing the song "Space Junk" from the end of the pilot episode when Rick was stuck in the tank (did you catch that?).  While in the helicopter (where he is asked what his wound is), Jadis accompanies him and assures him that he will be in excellent shape and that he's going to a place with all the resources he needs.  Rick gives her a quizzical look but considering he has an oxygen tank hooked up to him and he is in a comfortable helicopter, what CAN he say?  The helicopter then whisks them away to...well, that is a question that apparently will be answered at a future date.


The episode could've ended here and it would've been totally acceptable but instead, we see the landscape change and we get the impression that time has passed.  At this point, we are not clear on how much time exactly.  We then see a new group of survivors fighting against a group of walkers that have them effectively surrounded.  All of a sudden though, shots ring out and the walkers start to drop.  A young girl's voice instructs them to follow her into the clearing in the woods and they promptly do.  Once there, they see that the voice came from a little girl, likely no more than 10 years old...but she has Rick's gun, Michonne's katana and Carl's hat.  Her name, as she introduces herself, is Judith.  JUDITH GRIMES.

*MIND BLOWN*

The episode ends here with some previews to the remaining three episodes until the mid-season finale.  It is clear that the departure of Rick Grimes is obviously something to be missed.  However, it needs to be said, that Angela Kang and her team of writers found a way to write the character of Rick Grimes out of the show, majestically and honorably...but not out of the story.  His story will continue in another medium which will allow the further development of the current story line and characters which definitely feels incredibly exciting, particularly with "Little Ass Kicker" at the helm.

Dare I say it, has "The Walking Dead" become Sunday night's Must See TV again?  I think it actually has.

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Tuesday, March 12, 2024

The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live |1x02| Gone

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We jump into this episode right where Michonne left us on The Walking Dead 10x13, What We Become. She cuts a bloody path to Rick Grimes, just shy of killing him. But is it still him? And was it a good move for him to bring her back to the Civic Republic (Military)?
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  • Housekeeping and Corrections: Special thanks to T Nation on YouTube who corrected us on Lettersgate (Michonne and Rick Grimes did not exchange letters)

  • Music and Filming Style: Shout out to Sam Ewing for the score this episode; however, Bridget hates that The Walking Dead Universe is filming in HD (especially flashing back to older footage).

  • Different Vibe and Cinematic Elements: Danai Gurira's experience writing for the stage reveals itself in Nat's exposition on his stepfather, Danger. The differences in environment between the 1st and 2nd episodes is intentional, but the end result is the same.
  • Rachael's First Impressions: Loved Breeda Wool's Aidan, but knew she was going to die. Actor's are real people, their character's aren't. She compares the score to Far Cry 5 (Bridget invokes Firefly).

  • Rick's Selfishness: This episode shifts your perspective on the moment when Rick Grimes meets Michonne again: she was seeking vengeance. Is it still him? if Rick brings Michonne into The Civic Republic, knowing that she can never leave?

  • Michonne's Lack of Knowledge: She really does not know if Judith Grimes and everyone else are fine, since she left in the final days of the war with The Whisperers and, eventually, The Commonwealth saga.
  • Excavating Michonne's Journey from The Walking Dead to The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live: the show does a great job of bringing us back to where she left us.
  • Unanswered Questions about Jadis/Warrant Officer Anne Stokes and Rick: Is there more to their arrangement?

  • Anxiety Dreams and Incomparable Love: Like Jadis says, Michonne finding Rick is nothing short of a miracle.
  • Acceptance and Finding Each Other: Michonne essentially gave up and was heading home to her family. For both Rick and Michonne, knowing when to go - setting aside the active pursuit of finding one another - was the means to their success in finding each other.
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  • The Satisfaction of Taking Down the The Helicopter: Nat's scream stick did not miss (Lt. Col. Donald Okafor)! Payback is satisfying, even if it almost ended Rick.

  • Nat's Endearing Qualities: Nat is pretty entertaining, but even more endearing when he gets real with himself. He is the audience, much like Wes was on Fear The Walking Dead.

  • The Connection Between Okafor and Rick: Just like Rick sparing Negan, Okafor stopped the cycle of violence in favor of a brighter future. The question hangs in the atmosphere whether he and his soldiers in the Echelon Program were responsible for the bombing of Omaha.
  • The Reasoning Behind Omaha's Destruction: More reasons to watch The Walking Dead: World Beyond because it was revealed that The Civic Republic Military projected that keeping Omaha alive would lead to a tipping point and cause massive famine and human suffering in the long run. We are skeptical of this due to their destruction of Campus Colony, Lt. Col. Elizabeth Kublek stating They would've become a threat. So are people a resource or a drain?
  • The Role of Okafor in the CRM: Bridget deduces that the bombing of Omaha wasn't his doing, but knows about it, which accelerates his quest to bring Pearl Thorne and Rick - as 'A's who should've been eliminated - into the Echelon Program.
  • The Effects of Chlorine Gas: We definitively go through the reason why it took so long for Nat & Michonne to recover from a near-fatal dose of Chlorine Gas. You can read more about the effects, here, and why tomato sauce was a pretty smart way to fully recover.


  • The Symbolism of The Wailing and Purple Flames: It's nice to see that the frame of Michonne descending towards The Wailing Wall (a 5-mile wide horde of walkers) is lifted straight from the Series Finale of The Walking Dead. The purple flames of Nat's Giant-sized screaming sticks, to divert the horde and split the sea of walkers (Moses much?), is derived of Potassium (because of its purple flames). Potassium and Chlorine together make Potassium Salt, which is still biblical because of  Laban's wife turning into a pillar of salt when she turns to witness the destruction of Sodom and Gomora.
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  • The Wisdom of Kenny Rogers: Nat's mantra of Knowing When to Go reminds the gang of Kenny Rogers' The Gambler.


  • Knowing When to Leave: Connecting with Nat's words on a personal level.
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  • Reflecting on Daryl Dixon's Search for Rick: Talk about knowing when to go! Michonne could've referenced that struggle as well. Unlike Rick & Michonne, Daryl tragically waited too long and Leah Shaw walked out of his life.
  • Accepting the Possibility of Going Back: Dave connects Nat's words as both a rallying cry for Michonne and a means to eventually accept the things she can't change, should she reach that point - especially when there are people in her care that need her around. Most of us are familiar with the kind of person we can become when our determination laps our better judgment. We use this as a means to reflect on Rick's struggle and how the look on Michonne's face speaks volumes when she realizes the lengths he went to get back to her (and the danger Rick put her in).
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  • Jadis and Rick's Agreement: She certainly is a double-edged sword. We all have a lot to thank her for, not tattling to the powers-that-be, but man is she making it extremely easy to hate her by threatening the loved ones of Rick & Michonne.
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  • The Miracle of Finding Each Other: It's not only limited to the end of their search, but how Michonne, as Dana Bethune, managed to convince The CRM that she was a 'B'. She could've been killed at any point in time! In addition to this, Jadis knows who Michonne is! To counter-balance all the freaking out over Rick's decision to bring in Michonne, Jadis' own words acknowledge the insurmountable force of Rick & Michonne.
  • The Strength of Bonds Formed Through Struggle: The honeymoon phase is real and grandparents love means sticking it out and facing the word as partners. It means having conversations when things aren't great, weathering fights, and course-correcting when there are misalignments in our individual paths. Rick & Michonne finding each other seems easy when faced with the prospect of syncing up after all this time. What we may end up finding: just like in our own relationships, once they're finally on the same page, they're bond will be even stronger than before.
  • The Opportune Time for Rick to Escape... If he wasn't broken: Rachael muses that Rick could've escaped with Michonne right when they found one another, but Bridget & Dave explain that Rick's experience informs him that there really is no escape and - from his traumatized perspective - proceeds to make the best of a bad situation. Bridget uses Daryl's psychological torture among The Saviors as a perfect example.
  • Jadis' Threat and Use of Rick and Michonne: Musing further on Jadis' words, as frightening as they are, really give us more comfort after literally saying Rick has Stockholm Syndrome: Maybe Rick and Michonne really can do anything together.
  • Jadis' Role and Motives: The reason why she goes on the offensive with Rick is mainly because she is threatened by the combined force of Rick and Michonne: she wants to chip away at his Stockholm Syndrome enough to paralyze him into inaction... or maybe even action because, either way, she directly benefits from him succeeding or failing. Though we all acknowledge that she is a true believer in The CRM, that doesn't mean she won't stop scheming to gain more power.
  • Symbolism of red eyes (from the last episode): Red light (being watched) or red eyes (vengeance), Michonne was ready to slaughter every last CRM soldier that poured out of the downed helicopter. Clearly, there are some unresolved issues there that need resolving and we're concerned that she may go murder-jacket-Rick on Rick.
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  • Michonne's Pet Walkers and A Parallel: Bridget points out that Michonne's first appearance - with her pet walkers - includes a scene with she and Andrea Harrison observing Phillip "The Governor" Blake slaughtering a bunch of Army Reservists that had emerged from a helicopter.

  • Role reversal with Aiden and Bailey: It's hard not to see that Aidan and Bailey are a reflection of Rick & Michonne, but we also noticed that the name Aidan is often given to boys and Bailey to girls. From this, are we to expect that Michonne is basically the ultimate hero of this story (or at least the one to snap Rick out of it)?

  • Possible reference to Michonne's comic book daughter: To give Bridget credit, the leader of The Nomads is named Elle, and she borrows Bailey's story to convince The CRM to let her in. Dave also points out that this might've also been a nod to Michonne's comic book daughter named Elodie Hawthorne.

  • Parallel scenes and role reversal: Similar to the first episode (where Rick is about to slit his own throat), this episode features two extremely similar scenes. Michonne is questioned by both Elle of The Nomads and The CRM. But the experiences couldn't be more different. Michonne is open and honest with Elle, whose group constantly migrates out in the open and allows its members to come and go as they please to the point where they leave people behind. She is lying to The CRM in the parallel scene near the end with a group whose location is not only static but hidden and whose members cannot leave for any reason (and those who attempt - really, just Rick - are found and caught). The scene is very similar to our survivors on TWD being interviewed on Deeana Monroe's camcorder, especially the spectacular performance from Carol Peletier.


  • Fear and feeling stuck: We could spend all day pointing out the differences between The Nomads and The CR(M), but the end result is the same: members of each community are afraid to leave. The Nomads are paralyzed by their freedom of choice in a world of scarcity. Citizens of  CR have no reason to leave, but should they try, they have every reason to fear retaliation.
  • Time and procrastination: 🤫WHISPERERS Tier Member Lois, in the real time chat, asks whether Rick wants to stay or feels like he can't leave. Bridget & Dave speak to instances in their  own lives where there never felt like there was a good time to leave a bad relationship. It's very possible Rick feels he has to stay to protect his love ones (or at least decide too late), which will be a nail-biter to see play out.
  • Gas Man: Let Me Help You: This walker in the opening scene is equally intriguing and mystifying. For starters, it's prescient, since we mentioned in the Reaction to the TWD:TOWL Series Premiere Q&A how the show made changes even during production, much like the movie Die Hard. Why? Because Die Hard was completely written and filmed during production and the writing on the walker reminded us of one of its scenes where John McClaine had written on one of his victims the words, Now I have a machinegun: Ho Ho Ho"
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  • Possible references in literature: The only tangible reference Dave could find that might possibly connect to this intriguing walker - outside of the possibility that it's just an inside joke between Andrew Lincoln, Danai Gurira, and Scott M. Gimple - is a reference in The Pagans by Arlo Bates. Bridget attempts to link it to zombie lore - both exposition and a scene from Night of the Living Dead and the exposition played out in Land of the Dead - but nothing that really hits the nail on the head. Lastly, Dave might've found a walker Beta in the split sea of walkers:

  • The migration community and connections to other shows: Tales of The Walking Dead's 4th episode, Amy / Dr. Everett goes more in depth into walker migrations. Dave references columns, which was referenced in TWD: World Beyond: basically mega herds.
  • The CRM is the connecting thread: Fans often misunderstood Scott Gimple based on a statement he made years ago that this is the series that would tie the greater universe. Really, The CRM themselves are the throughline into all the other series (rather than a single series that connects them all). We get it, though: some of the more hardcore fans want to see their favorite characters show up again. You may not get what you want, but you'll like what you get (if you let yourself).
  • The Power of Belief and Validation: The same saying holds true for Michonne because she didn't immediately find Rick, but met some great folks along the way who validated her decision to try to help people for its own sake.
  • Conveying Emotions Without Directly Stating Them: Allowing Knowing When to Go to be said and expressed throughout the episode was an excellent take on show: don't tell by conveying that feeling without explicitly explaining it.
  • The Horrors of the CRM and Michonne's Journey: Dave finally states his impression of this episode. It was uncomfortable to watch, especially since witnessing the actions of The CRM out in the world and the terrifying prospect that they can destroy entire settlements - that we know of in TWDU - just for seeing them in the sky.
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  • The Symbolism of Nat and the Your Red Wagon: Nat may have gotten his name from the song-writer legend of Your Red Wagon, Nat "King" Cole. Dave mentions something General Colin Powell said of a child's little red wagonEvery child should have a little red wagon to carry around their dreams, their hopes and their troubles, so when the burden is too heavy an adult can lean down and help pull the load. This validates Nat's experience with his step-father, who gave him a push in the right direction, giving him purpose and making it fairly far into the zombie apocalypse.
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  • The Clever Details in the Mall Scene: You know Bailey met his demise by sleeping next to Aidan because of the bloody pillow next to her. Nat started the fire on the perfume display case by using the alcohol in the perfume as an accelerant. Also, who doesn't love a mall in zombie lore? Michonne and Nat have all the beds!


  • The Reference to Daisho/Shoto and Blanking on Walker Names: The callsigns for Michonne and Judith are Daisho & Shoto, respectively, which we referenced on her last episode of The Walking Dead. When Rick was screaming at her, as the CRM arrived, telling her not to use the term walkers, Dave's mind went completely blank attempting to think of other names. It's a testament to the intensity of that moment.
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Saturday, March 23, 2024

The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live |1x04| What We (SPECIAL GUESTS: The Ones Who Live - A TWD Podcast)

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Save for Sherrandy, this episode might be more than just our favorite episode of The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live, but among our favorite in The Walking Dead Universe. We highlight the intricacies of Rick Grimes' & Michonne's undeniable love and the depths the latter plunges to rescue the former. This series introduces some larger themes and we dart across The Walking Dead's timeline to shine a light on the significance of this episode's more brilliant moments.
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[SIDE A]

  • Jumping right out of a helicopter and into this episode: Like Dave, Jill enjoyed the surprising choice of Michonne pushing Rick Grimes and she out of the helicopter - which turned out to be the right choice. Besides, they needed a time out. Sherrandy thinks the show requires a hefty amount of suspension of disbelief, considering the fall, even in water might've resulted in their demise.

  • Sherrandy Rehashes the Lack of Chemistry in Rick and Michonne's Relationship: it's essentially the same arguments she makes in our last episode but, this time, with rebuttals. Jill explains that most of the motivation for them getting together was attributed to discussions behind the scenes, rather than what was in the actual story: the actors (cast and crew), themselves, wanted it to happen. Dave brings up a similar and more mainstream opinion people had about Daryl Dixon & Leah Shaw coupling up (in The Walking Dead's bonus episodes of Season 10).
  • The Influence of Watching Out of Order: It helps to remind the audience that Sherrandy's introduction to The Walking Dead Universe was Fear The Walking Dead's 4th season (specifically 4x05, Laura). Just due to our research, over the years, trawling Reddit forums: watchers that start off watching TWDU out of order tend to have a different perspective of the flagship (and other) series. 
  • Darker Opinions/Online Negativity: Of course, it behooves us to say that a fringe minority who share Sherrandy's opinion are actually racist, which is why it isn't as easy to swallow hers. The reason why we started this podcast was to spotlight folks who might have similar opinions that are rooted in (their perception of the) narrative (presented): anything that goes beyond that and into some ideological/racial bent is not only idiotic but wholly fruitless - because the writers' intentions matter.
  • Appreciating the Actors, Regardless: Dave tries to rescue Sherrandy by recalling how she said each and every performer was on their A-Game, even Andrew Lincoln and Danai Gurira, but she goes right back to saying Rick & Michonne are better as friends...
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    ...however, she only does this to illustrate that - between the more modern setting (preferring survival in the wild) and her lack of disbelief in Michonne and Rick as a couple - it makes it a little harder to enjoy this series.
  • Desire for a Different Setting: After ironically mourning the loss of the cute little Roomba, Sherrandy is looking forward to who or what Richonne might encounter in their travels across the country.
  • The desire for Jadis' Demise: Takeerah, coming in hot. The show makes you want to agree with Richonne - that Warrant Officer Anne Stokes needs to go - but most of us agree that it might find a way to either show her side of the story and/or make it so that she can't or won't die.
  • Jadis' Contingency: Bridget basically says they can't kill her anyway because she has a dead mans switch that would lead to the demise of both them, their family, and their previous settlements. If not for this summit in Cascadia Forward Operating Base (with The Civic Republic Military's Command and Frontliners in attendance), she believes her plan would already be in motion, despite the lack of forensic evidence that they are alive.
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  • Jadis' History of Choosing Sides: Sherrandy points out, rightly, that Jadis has never been one to choose sides; rather, she tends to choose she perceives, in the moment, as the winning side. As much of a true believer she is, when it comes down to it, it's possible (because villains on this show are never clear-cut) that she might side with Richonne if the circumstances favored them being victorious. Rachael makes it clear that Jadis' intentions are always unclear and her choices are always surprising. Her backup contingency might be bullshit.
  • The CRM's Persistence: Dave suggests that Richonne must take them down somehow because they are seemingly ubiquitous, at least across The United States of America. The CRM is incredibly risk averse and there's already some evidence that they already know about Alexandria Safe-Zone (and most-likely other communities). There's also evidence, by way of Tales of The Walking Dead's 4th episode, Amy/Dr. Everett, that suggests they may have been the ones to dig the huge, North-South trench that spanned many states separating humanity from the dead, which means they persist for many years to come.

  • Siding with Rick and Michonne: They're off the hook. Jill explains that because The CRM, for whatever reason, didn't conclusively verify whether Rick & Michonne were alive, we must assume that they assume they are dead and, if not, they will be because their rockets would effectively demolish all of Greenwood. We also conclude that, given that their Blackhawk helicopters fly awfully fast and Richonne's yeeting occurred extremely close to Greenwood, the pilot probably never had time to communicate that they went AWOL. Rachael does mention that Rick already survived one helicopter crash, so you'd think they would check the surrounding area; then again, as Jill says, had he survived he would've activated the PRB. Everyone followed protocol.
  • Overlooking Potential Dangers: Clean apartments (does someone live here?!), opening fridges (you know it's going to smell bad, even if electricity was working), and voices in the air. Counterpoint: they were pretty high up in the building, enough to easily view their crashed helicopter in the side of one of the other buildings.

  • Rick's Startle and the Thinner Roomba(?): Dave muses over how Rick is immediately startled by the Roomba, but then launches into how they're thinner, which briefly confused him about what he was immediately talking about. But seriously, those suckers do a great job, when you note how thick the dust is on the higher surfaces. We also had a little chuckle when Rick shouts at the Google Home style announcements while he and Michonne are arguing.

  • PRB... what's it mean?: Personal Response Button, Personal Response Beacon, Polychlorinated Biphenyls, Pre-Rolled Blunts... art is subjective, people.
  • Michonne's Katana and Iconic Moments: Rick and Michonne stab a walker's head simultaneously, which remind us of the time Negan and Maggie Rhee did the same in TWD Season 11, which we dubbed, just the tips. Michonne grabbing the rebar in the gym as a weapon is a sly nod to the rebar Rick was impaled on during in his final few episodes on TWD. Bridget muses on whether we might ever see Michonne's iconic katana again, but Jill brings up how in TWD Season 5 that Michonne would give up her sword if it meant she got to keep Rick.
    Who did it better?

  • The Sass & Black Girl Representation: Takeerah felt particularly represented when she saw the expression on Michonne's face after she realizes she let slip that Rick had another child. Rachael particularly enjoyed the sass Michonne was dishing out to Rick about the notes he left her in the episode prior.

  • Ramona The Pest: Say what you will about Ramona, but this book in question reflects our story perfectly: good intentions that go awry and the fear over the masks we wear possibly wearing down our identity are on point. Also, Rick, like Ramona, played with Michonne's curls which got him into the good kind of trouble on TWD. 😉 Speaking of books though, on top of the massive amount of programming books from the early 2000s, there were also books on art and politics. One of the books that stands out was actually the one on the coffee table was The Art of Revolution, published by the Organisation in Solidarity with the people of Africa, Asia and Latin America (OSPAAAL), Cuba, 1960s-1990s. Along with the note read near the end of the episode, it indicates that Greenwood also had good intentions - trying to leave the world in a better place than how they found it - that went awry.
    The Art of Revolution book on the coffee table

  • The Bottle Episode and Greater Allegory: To most, this didn't feel like a bottle episode. What helps is that the settling is a reflection of Richonne's relationship, at present, down to the CRM blowing it up and the need for Greenwood to collapse for their relationship to move forward. Takeeerah adds to this by saying Michonne had to break Rick down, in a different way than The CRM, in order to build him back up again.
  • Rick's Two Sons: By the way, Rachael had mentioned in the last episode how, if she were Michonne, she wouldn't have been able to keep RJ Grimes a secret and, true to form, Michonne couldn't either. What makes it even sweeter is the full-circle moment, beginning last episode with Michonne's encounter with Benjiro, and ending on her remembering Carl Grimes image enough to get him to produce an etching of Carl to show Rick and help him remember his first born, again.
  • Michonne's Breakdown and Restart: Speaking of breaking something in order to mend it, Rick's last words to Michonne about them being broken was something she needed to hear in order to jump-start the healing process. What Rick said was super hurtful and so was Michonne's, giving him all that sass, but at least she wasn't lying to him and was doing it to wake him up.
  • Authenticity and Vulnerability in Arguments: At the core of every argument is at least one party refusing to tell the other, you're hurting me. When Michonne says this to Rick, it's super authentic and resonates even further after all the logical arguments that are made initially. If only we all had the strength to become as vulnerable as she, in that moment.

  • Dave attempts to identify with Rick in both positive and negative connotations: what Rick is trying to do is be brave by sacrificing himself for the sake of the ones he loves, like all good men do, but sometimes sacrifice becomes unnecessary martyrdom that would've otherwise been tempered had you involved your partner in critical decisions throughout. That being said, we criticized Michonne a lot in the last episode about her brazen A-ness (don't read that out loud too fast), but had Rick been a little more open, she wouldn't have had to put herself at risk because they'd be on the same page.
  • Speaking of A-ness, Thorne is an A- at Best: Takeerah reframe's Cmd Sgt. Major Pearl Thorne's status as a B+ and, after some discussion, an A-. The reason? Just because she almost kills Lt. Col. Donald Okafor on the high seas doesn't automatically qualify her as an 'A' (Alpha). Even if it did, it seemed that the moment she was privy to the actual Echelon Briefing, she completely submitted to The CRM (not without some discomfort/confusion). Jill basically relegates Thorne's B-ness to Dana Bethune coming in and stealing her HBIC (= Head Bitch in Charge) crown.
  • Pearl's Submission: On a serious note, Jill explains Thorne's submission to that of John Locke's (on LOST) when presented with Desmond Hume's dead-man's switch computer. End of the world scenarios tend to do that to a person, no matter how strong-willed (eh, Rick?). It also doesn't help her fortitude that Rick couldn't escape even after chopping off his own hand to get away. Jill likes Thorne and understands her thought process perfectly when she tells Rick, they're not gone: we're gone.
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  • Rick and Michonne's Intimacy: Again, art is subject to interpretation. You could speculate that Rick was having a panic-attack, flood of emotions, or moment of anxiety when he and Michonne first started getting intimate. You could say that he orgasmed quickly because he hadn't been with a woman since the last time he had sex with Michonne (answering a question we've asked since the series premiere). You could even say that it was all of the above. What you can't say is that we didn't have a lot of fun discussing this one, but at its core lies a supreme vulnerability we're all acquainted with that we deeply respect. Michonne maintaining eye contact with him and placing his hand on her heart was inspirational and made all of us feel safe in our own vulnerability. That being said, here's (The Truth About) Luther Vandross' Love Won't Let Me Wait:


  • (Un)Intended Consequences: There's absolutely no way the Grimes siblings aren't having another sibling after this. Also, Dave and his wife also play the make-out game in elevators. Dave and Thomas O'Mara had originally speculated that we'd see a full-frontal Rick this episode, but it (sadly?) never came to pass. We also hope he didn't use his bettered nub during their moment of intimacy, which reminded us of Sherrandy's first Secret Santa video:


  • Scars and Lockdown: Michonne received the 'X' branding scar we see on her back from TWD episode 9x14, Scars, which Dave leverages as a sort of callback and mirror to The CRM. Only a few months after she loses Rick, she runs into her pre-apocalypse friend, Jocelyn, who almost ends up ruining her world after trusting her. We saw the result of that throughout Season 9 in the manner in which she isolates Alexandria from The Hilltop and as The Kingdom falls to ruin. She of all people knows, like the CRM, what it means to not open yourself to risk by exposing yourself to the world. The irony is that the very thing that kicks of her road to recovery is The Multi-Community Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which she wrote, that was taken by Aaron and given to Paul "Jesus" Rovia for Hilltop to sign. It kicks off a series of events that ends up leading to Jesus' death at the hands of The Whisperers, but makes them inseparable from that point forward.

[SIDE B]

  • Emotional Impact of the mention of Carl Grimes on Dave: His wife, Evelyn, heard him getting emotional in the other room, so loud that she rushed to check in on him.
  • Recognition for Andrew Lincoln's performance: Jill's reaction to this is that Andy should win an Emmy or at least a Golden Globe award for lead actor in a dramatic series not that Saturn Awards bullshit.
  • The importance of connecting pieces and tying up loose ends: Bringing up Scars launches Daryl off into the woods in his search for Rick (an example Michonne could've used with Nat, on the road - about not knowing when to go - but she delays our gratification and mentions it to Rick, here), whereas Michonne had to stop and raise the kids. Us watching Rick lose Carl by reusing stock footage from the final episodes of Season 8 hurts, but all of this isn't just fan-service: it's for us to re-ground ourselves to the feeling/idea that Rick was a father, first, and it started with Carl.

  • Their Faces Start to Disappear: In the absence of photographs, paintings, other renderings, and digital anything, it makes it that much hard for us to remember the faces of those we've lost, which is something Bridget had mentioned in the last episode, with respect to Carl, and bore fruit this episode as the reason Rick finally gives to Michonne about how he was able to maintain his persistent and more drastic attempts to escape The CRM.
  • The possibility of discussing the losses: Rachael asks whether Michonne might discuss the folks they lost along the way while Rick was gone, like Enid, Jesus, Tara Chambler, or Siddiq. Jill, Bridget, and Dave chime in to say that thought it's something we want to see, it might get in the way of the story unless it ties into something in the present narrative. Besides, there are new people like Magna, Yumiko Okumura, Connie, Kelly, and Luke Abrams.
  • Children are the Best Timeline Yardstick: We had always used Judith as our measuring stick to gauge when and where we are in the timeline, but RJ happens to be the better yardstick in this episode when Michonne mentions Scars had happened 7 months after Rick left and how he is almost 8 years-old. That puts us at 11+ years after the fall of humanity. Just to paint the picture, Here's Negan (TWD 10x22) claims the fall happens 12 years prior, which means The Commonwealth hadn't introduced themselves just yet. See, children have a utility other than eating them...


  • Kids Are Good For More Than Just Telling Time: Jill reminds us that Judith helped breakdown both Daryl's & Michonne's emotional walls. After the fall of The Prison settlement, Rick looked at Judith's bloody baby carrier and truly believed she was dead which brought him to the same state Michonne was after losing her son, Andre, which is is a connecting thread.
  • The Fear of Finding Them Dead: Rick could continue being dead for as long as he believed that Michonne was still out there, similar to how Morgan Jones could go on believing Henry was still out there, rather than stumbling upon his (reanimated) corpse and joining Carol Peletier in the search in TWD episode 8x14, Still Gotta Mean Something. For Rick, it's Schrodinger's Michonne/RJ/Judith. I know how to be dead and live now = They're not gone, we're gone = We are The Walking Dead.

  • Rick's Time with CRM: He's been longer with them than anyone else, so his conditioning makes sense. Hearing him describe all the ways he tried to hold onto the memory of those he loved all these years makes knowing that all the more brutal. Rachael doesn't think he's completely out of the woods, but he's aware now, thanks to Michonne, and we might see more growth in the final two episodes.
  • Unified Choreography and Moments of Levity: Bridget notes how out-of-sync they'd been throughout these episodes, but also this episode. When they start to venture out and kill walkers, they weren't good partners - but man were the one-liners (Commando, Hug the wall, dammit) so funny. By the end, their moves were synchronized and fluid, similar to the way their whole group was on the road, clearing homes and ending walkers, before they reached The Prison.
  • Asibe Happy by Ami Faku (/w DJ Maphirosa & Kabza De Small): When Rick & Michonne finally flee the building, the clouds seemed to part, the colors were brighter, and the world felt a lot more open to them (and possibility). Just then, Asibe Happy starts to play, which compliments the mood in both melody and content: We are happy / We are in love / They have tried to separate us - they failed / Our Ancestors agree - we are a fit / The two of us / Let us be happy together - be happy
    Let's be happy, my person / Let's be happy - be together / Let's be happy my person / Let's be happy - be together



  • Like almost every episode in this series, thus far, they could've ended the whole thing right at the end of this episode and we would've been satisfied with its conclusion, which is quite the phenomena. Sherrandy mentions that the only thing that comes close is the Season One Finale of Westworld. On top of everything else, Bridget hates anthology style or bottle episodes (probably due to the sheer volume of them we received on FearTWD and TWD's bonus episodes), but this episode didn't feel like one because it had movement. Important reminder that Danai wrote and was showrunner, start to finish, on this episode. Also noteworthy, each episode consistently had a point near the end that could've been the actual end of each episode, but kept going to give us much more than we bargained for.
  • Let Me by Somi: This song plays during the credits and is also by a female African musical artist. The words are much different than the song that plays beforehand because, rather than the theme revolve around being together, this song focuses on someone standing on their own two feet and recognizing their own strength. This pairs well with the name Michonne gives to The CRM: Dana Bethune, the etymology which we went through in the last episode.


  • Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Old Oak Tree by Tony Orlando & Dawn: The song is written from the perspective of a man who is coming home from prison after serving his sentence. Similar to soldiers who come back from war, their loved ones let them know that they are in their thoughts and hearts by tying yellow ribbons around trees and lamp posts. Some women even tie yellow ribbons in their hair to inform other men that they are taken. Essentially, Rick has been away for so long that he needs a sign that it's OK for him to return.
    Editor's Note: It's super interesting that the first song is from Rick's perspective, Asibe Happy is from their perspective, and Somi is from Michonne's perspective.

  • Matthew Negrete, who was Showrunner of The Walking Dead: World Beyond, was Consulting Producer for this episode.
    Editor's Note: we misspoke about his involvement in Tales of The Walking Dead because he was not involved in any way in the making of that series. Sherrandy (and Dave) was most likely thinking of Channing Powell.
  • Rick and Michonne Making Out in the Elevator: It needs to happen every time they go down an elevator (why waste time? And how often will that ever happen?). Jill comes back! ...and adds to what Bridget says about the fluid choreography between the two: them emerging from the elevator and kicking ass is reminiscent of the movie Mr & Mrs Smith (which is now a television series starring Maya Erskine & Donald Glover). Sherrandy references Mallrats, That was romantic, right? Yeah, passionate.
  • Commando: Dave's favorite line is when Rick tells Michonne to Hug the wall, dammit, just before a chandelier almost falls on top of him. His line means nothing without him soldier-splaining the following:
    We can't breach from this high up, even if it's from a defensible position.
    Michonne, I don't even have a weapon, Commando, so how are we supposed to get past all those walkers? God damn defensible position...
    Commando... really?

  • The Hopeful Musical Phrase: Where everyone else seems to focus on songs containing singing and lyrics and the noticeable, frontier-like score from the second episode, there is a consistent musical phrase that Composer Sam Ewing injects at the end of many scenes across these episodes that gave Dave goosebumps every time he heard it. Everyone else missed it. You can catch a little of it when Michonne starts to leave Greenwood and Rick, after the longest pause, finally rushes after her. You catch it again just after they (re)start their intimacy. The phrase is cut short in the former, but the latter resumes to completion.
  • Flirting and Facebook Pages: Jill, The Living Richonne, reminds us that songs have always played a role on the show, like More Than a Feeling by Boston playing when Rick finally decides to stop wearing his wedding band and eyeballing Michonne as she moisturizes.
  • Living in a Walker Honeymoon: More public displays of affection! When Rick realizes he can't drive a manual transmission (umm, he's missing a hand), he and Michonne make out while swapping seats. It's like they kickstarted their honeymoon phase all over again, and Dave's just glad (he's in the back seat) along for the ride. Even those who aren't big fans of PDA loved it. See?

  • The Tension Between the Collectivism and Individualism: Themes in TWDU have evolved over time. Survival (we are the walking dead, until such time where we don't have to be) ➡️ TWDU allows you to be the person you were meant to be ➡️ Michonne mounting her sword above the fireplace and learning to thrive over survive ➡️ rallying humanity behind a common threat: the undead. Rick mentions that the walkers were thin, leading him to conclude that Greenwood's inhabitants died of starvation due to crop failure, which is what threatened The Saviors' survival at the start of Season 9 and even the start of FearTWD Season 4 with it's second episode, Another Day in the Diamond. All of this paints the picture of a greater emerging theme: The CRM believes that a culling has to occur in order for humanity to ultimately survive this moment in history, or else they are doomed; however, this runs directly against TWDU's other core themes. Is humanity worth saving if we have to relinquish our individual freedoms? Isn't Rick & Michonne's journey one where they can accomplish anything they set out to do, perhaps even the fall of humanity?

  • The CRM's 500-Year Plan: TWD: World Beyond reminds us that The CRM was only supposed to remain in charge of The Civic Republic for 10 years, before handing the reigns of power back to the government. Is that what this summit at Cascadia Forward Operating Base is all about? How else are they going to be able to ensure that their plan moves forward? Has the CR, as well, bought into the we are the last light of the world line, as well? Like Ramona The Pest (and what Michonne says about Greenwood/Rick), will their intentions go awry?
  • It's About Control: Bridget pushes back because it isn't just about the ultimate survival of humanity but about control. The CRM want to be credited for saving humanity and not only restoring it but pushing it to new heights, which lays all other possible plans to waste simply because it's not their own. Bridget regales us with a story from her youth where a friend of hers, Kyle, threw a house party during Halloween and his mother came home and found that it was still going on after 10:00pm, to which she screamed at him, in her chicken costume, You said 10! New TWDU Spin-off: The Walking Dead: You Said 10! ...in response to The CRM remaining in power past their mandate.

  • Dave doesn't disagree, but loves that the tension between these two themes exists: People continue to persist in the zombie apocalypse believing that there is a tomorrow and - assuming The CRM is correct about their tipping point - knowing that it might've all been for nothing unless they follow the CRM might cause them to shut down. People want to know that there's a future: or else, why bother? Bridget and Sherrandy add to this that humanity (evolutionarily speaking) also can't help themselves for wanting to improve their quality of life, especially in a world of scarcity. It goes back to Sherrandy's comments about her dislike of modernization because it feels alien (especially within the context of this universe).

  • The Content Rating for the Next Episode is LSV: Language, Sexual Situations, and Violence. No not Survivalaring [the act of Live Action Role Playing survival] Sexual Suggestives by David Cameo. The women proceed to gang up on him and bully him throughout the remaining minutes, which makes sense: they had to break him down to end this episode.

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