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Where, at first, we thought we wouldn't have much to talk about, the further we discussed this episode, the more we learned about Elton, the zombie apocalypse as nature's "big f*ck you", and human nature as a whole (also, how many of us want Pluto's designation as a planet reinstated!)
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This episode finally answered the question of what would happen if our gang of merry #CampusColony misfits actually ran across people. More than that: it also allowed us to discuss the ills of #Mediums / #FaithHealers / #Homeopathy, the power of suggestion / obedience / authority, the wonder that is #Conjuring / #Illusionists, and to pay our respects to #TheAmazingRandi: #JamesRandi, himself #RIP.
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Rachael’s SHUTTER SHADES:#TooCoolForJules, perfect for Huck
Michael Cudlitz directed this episode: great cinematic choices
Rachael’s been drinking
Shadow puppets opening with Iris’ voiceover
Silas brings up “starting over”
Wilma’s Closet
Hope understands Percy
Meaning of snakeskin: Elton’s grabbing “beautiful” photos
Is Hope atoning? Helping Elton with Amelia’s manuscript; Amelia is to Elton, what Leo is to Hope
If Daryl ever saw Dwight again: The feelings we would have now knowing Dwight's story
Dave wants to marry Rachael’s husband
Rachael connects with Tony: Her father was a magician
Sleight of Hand/Mentalist
The Amazing James Randi: 1928/8/7 - 2020/10/20
Percy and Tony’s con: not hurting people... physically, anyway
The ”Has Been”s
Felix’s gruff voice speaks their names: bad form/information is power
Percy’s story has purpose: the 200 bison captures Elton, feeling out these "new" people, Hope calls out his bullshit, and finally the truck is revealed
Dave doesn’t tilt the tripod, he flips it over
The meaning of names: Percival = pierces the valley; Delmado = of confidence (Confidence Man/Con Man)
Andersonville, IN
Sherrandy is shipping #PercIris
Living in a bubble bereft of dangerous people
Percy and Tony pick their marks wisely
Stupid Iris, trying to "save" Percy
People putting up a front for protection: The Vatos & Charlie's situation
#HopeTon: Is Elton getting mixed messages?
Remember: these are teenagers, outside for the first time
Changing perception of characters: Dwight, Negan, and Dante
The Milgram & Stanford Prison Experiements: Testing intrinsic "good nature" and how far someone can be "pushed"
Percy knows the layout of Wilma’s Closet: counts on Iris following him. Felix and the Fun House mirror. Iris and the mannequin.
Elton is named after Elton John! "Madman Across the Water"
Elton hopes that Amelia & Esmerelda are alive, somewhere, but Hope knows better.
Hope’s marble: What will Elton say?
Try not to be Martha: look beyond the surface of people
Hope and Elton
Could Iris figure out who Amelia is on her own?
Hard lesson with a positive result
Silas/Iris/Percy love triangle?
Felix’s CRM emblem, "Don't Bullshit a Bullshitter"
The extra scene: Dr. Lyla Belshaw has Leo Bennett's work and a sketch of Hope & Iris. How Amelia and Leo are alike.
TWDWB & FEAR parallels
Leo Bennet is alive, but is Will?
Empty room before Lyla
Who is CRM waiting for?
David f%#ing Blaine compared to real magicians, like Houdini
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I still don't know how we did it, but we managed to break down the more than 2-hour Season Finale of TWDWB's 1st season, episode 1x09 & 1x10 ("The Deepest Cut" & "In This Life", respectively) in just over 2 hours! We take a REALLY close look at Huck's actions throughout the season, ALL of our characters' rapid growth (in particular our designated #MVP, #EltonOrtiz), and what direction our characters seem to be heading by the end of it.
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What does it do to someone when they hold on to their darkest secrets? Who is it protecting, in the end? Who does this damage most and what lengths might someone go in order to keep their "monsters" at bay? We find out a lot about the skeletons Huck's kept in her closet and how they connect and affect the rest of our characters, but mostly Hope.
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Silas’ grandparents voices: Jeff Kober, "Joe" The Claimer & Denise Crosby, "Mary" from Terminus
Flirty Elton vs. Flirty Percy
Hope almost tells Elton
No good choices in keeping secrets, right Siddiq!?
Huck dealing with PTSD
Huck and (baby) Felix’s age difference
HOW will Elton find out the truth?
Tony figures out how to read the CRM maps: ⛽fuel & π§¬double-helix symbols
Percy’s mom left, didn’t die
Tony & Felix: both have chosen families & hit rock bottom
Setting Silas up: Percy distracts Iris; The Louvre in the truck; Misdirection; Silas isn’t buying the con; Is Hope next, or does she have a role to play?
Unspoken words from Iris
Who killed Tony?
They’re just outside Pittsburgh now
Kids these days and their loud music
"Mania" by The Last Year: Relating to Huck & Silas, perhaps Hope & Elton
I've got a feeling I've never felt / I could run a million miles, just to hear you make a sound / and I never wanna come down / I'm not gonna sleep tonight / I've never felt so alive
CHORUS: I'm in Mania / I'm in Mania / out of my mind, out of my head / and I'm never gonna sleep again / I'm in Mania
Will you catch me when I fall? / I'm afraid of heights and anything is possible tonight / but I'll be just fine / No reason to be afraid / and no I'm not insane
I'm where I've never been before / so deep, deep inside my world / and I'm losing all control / and I'm never coming home
Hating on Percy: Drives a wedge between Silas & Iris
Etymology of "Jennifer": Fair or Beautiful. "Mallick" = King/Queen/Royalty. Lance Corporal Mallick is a Sniper
Huck takes care of Walter: shared trauma between Huck & Hope
Thermal imaging dream sequence opener: Slowed down version of "What's On Your Mind (Pure Energy)" by Information Society
Here I am in silence / Looking round without a clue / I find myself alone again / All alone with you / I can see behind your eyes / The things that I don't know / If you hide away from me / How can our love grow
CHORUS: I wanna know / What you're thinking / There are some things you can't hide / I wanna know / What you're feeling / Tell me what's on your mind
I know I could break you down / But what good would it do / I could surely never know / That what you say is true / Here I am in silence / It's a game I have to play / You and I in silence / With nothing else to say
Cudlitz directed episode
Truth or Dare: Percy is still reading them, poking at Hope
Elton with the (accidental) comic relief: "I don’t know what’s customary"; relatable; Whiskey is "a warm bag of nails"
Devil’s Pass: 2009? Sniper Huck
Huck’s flashback with Drake: "Didn’t I?" by Darondo
Didn't I treat you right, now / Didn't I? / Didn't I do the best I could / Didn't I? / Didn't I give ya everything / Didn't I? / I tried my best just to be a man / Didn't I?
Didn't I do it baby? / Didn't I do right? / Why you wanna leave me baby? / Didn't I treat you right?
I bought you diamond rings / Everything, that a woman could need / I bought you cars, clothes, a home / When things were rough for me I kept on / And I am back again
Didn't I?
There's something wrong with you / Tell me / Bring me all your troubles dear / You look bad, you should be glad / Your leading man, always be glad, sit by home / And let me kiss your lovely lips
Didn't I do it baby? / Didn't I do right? / Why you wanna leave me baby? / I said didn't I treat you right?
It's a mystery to me / That you won't / Talk to me / What it is / That I've done / To make me
Marine verbiage, "KILL" = Acknowledgement or Greeting.
Beer Farts Owens talks about the origin of the Zombie Apocalypse: Robert Kirkman's Troll & Flight 462
CentCom/Central Command: Illegal for them to act on US soil & Sunset Protocols aren't a real thing.
Qualities of a Marine are Honor, Courage, and Commitment: Huck has the commitment & Once a Marine, Always a Marine
Huck scars herself to remember Drake and her actions
The gun goes off in Hope’s hands: what her marble means and Hope forgives Amelia
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Just when #JenniferMallick thought she might have one good day, #LeoBennett comes in like a wrecking ball and turns her world beyond upside-down. Between that, the knowledge that her clemency may have come at a cost (even though she's choosing to focus on the positive), and how (by the end of it) Percy is gunning for her, it seems like Huck is beset on all sides.
So, here's the deal, after we ended the recording, we decided to jump down the science rabbit hole and discuss the formula on #TBrooksEllis ' digital board, which was pretty fun. Between the behind-the-scenes pre-show and the many laughs & hilarious technical difficulties, why not support the #podcast and download/stream the Unedited Episode Recording?
Tying up poor horses and Dakota firepits. Elton Ortiz finally hauling ass (for turnips?!)
Turns out Dave was right about Perimeter colony protecting the Civic Republic Research Facility (by way of radioactive waste warnings). Callbacks to Siddiq (by way of calling Empties "Vessels") and Elton is the Carl Grimes of the show?
Sherrandy's amazing theory of why Omaha/Campus Colony were going to be threats to the Civic Republic Military. Dave takes it a little further.
Still trying to associate Huck saving the colony dwellers during the fall (when she was a Marine). "Beauty in the darkness" (the essence of TWD World Beyond): because why focus on the negative?
Etymology of Asha & Dev. Elton's devastation and resemblance to John Dorie (of Fear The Walking Dead).
Empties/Vessels in the clearing were not Asha & Dev's doing and the flaw in Dennis' logic about the Culling Facilities. Filming inconsistencies.
T. Brooks Ellis, Eugene Porter's mentor at The Human Genome Project, is Hope Bennett's professor.
Parallels to the Bennett sister's asking Silas Plaskett to their party in the pilot to Mason inviting hope to the Omaha remembrance party. Hope still having flashbacks to their journey wakes her into action: seeking out Iris and Felix Carlucci.
More hints that The Civic Republic is a string of settlements, united as one (E Pluribus Unum) and Portland's potential dark fate(?).
Leo Bennett may not be aware of Lyla Belshaw's special lab where (walker) Dr. Samuel Abbott is kept. Hope may be on her way to figuring this out.
At Mason's party, Omaha's symbol is placed on a "neutralization" vat: twisted. SURVIVORS tier member, Jasmine, trusts Mason.
Second Chances: Iris might eat her words about Percy's loss and moving on; Hope might instinctually take her advice. How their father factors into this calculus.
The significance of using Jenga as a parallel to The Civic Republic.
It Only Takes One Night by Dum Dum Girls and it's connection to Dennis' relationship with Huck and, also, the destruction of Omaha/Campus Colony (possibly Portland). Corporal Pierce may already be monitoring Staff Sergeant Mallick's movements (how the CRM roles).
Will Percy pull back? The Perimeter will most-likely side with Jennifer in the event of a conflict (also, Huck's corpse would mean their destruction).
Leo's confrontation with Huck (or whatever she calls herself) speaks to something greater than getting his family back.
Jasmine expertly follows Dr. Ellis science, whether intentionally faulty or not. Either way, he seems like a Fungi.
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Admittedly, this episode is a bit of a slow burn; however, that doesn't mean we don't get a few heaping spoonsful of eye-opening character development and emotional moments. The only thing we know, for sure, is how unsure we are of where the story might go next: the slight-of-hand, typical of #TWDUniverse, is in full effect.
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Originally Recorded: 2020/12/18
Edited for our podcast: 2021/01/14Joined by Steve, from Aim For The Head podcast, Lizzie invites us all over to Brains Gone Bad in order to discuss our thoughts on The Walking Dead: World Beyond's 1st season. It was a real treat to exchange our feelings and perspectives and, by the end of it, I think we all got something out of it and we wanted to share that with you!
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Elton: Worried about his future. But don’t be, "No one dies anymore!" Prepared or not?
Canned foods: Only good for about 18 months; Mountain Dew gate; Skunky beer and SMEAT.
Who loves flashbacks?: LOVING Huck’s; Reflecting on a disappointing FearTWD Season 1
Initial description of TWD World Beyond: 2 sisters take different paths.
Pacing of the show: Slower pace, but for a reason; See the beauty in the scenery/story.
Lizzie & Joe Holt ("Leo Bennett"): Stay Tuned.
Cause & Cure: Will we get answers? Dave hates flashbacks (on the original TWD), but everyone else pretty much loves them (or at least the possibility).
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Huck or #JenniferMallick? Killer/Savior or Daughter? #Jadis / #JadisStokes: Friend, Foe, or neither? "Who are you?" might actually be an ironic title: that we're much more than a binary "Good Guy" or "Bad Guy" and that it's taken a hell of a road to get to where we are. Maybe it's not too late? It's never too late.
Some technical difficulties in the original recordings that flew under the wire, which made the edit take a little longer than usual to produce, but we cut out a TON of laughter and behind the scenes moments throughout! If you'd like the unlisted link to our uncut recording while supporting the BEST #TWDUniverse #podcast, head on over here:
David Cameo:
Rachael Burt:
Sherrandy Swift: AKA @BlazyGardener
Alex Skuby (and his ZenAF.tv podcast partner, Wayne?) in the next episode of Fear The Walking Dead. Alex is married to Sarah Rabinowitz herself, Mo Collins.
Enjoying these satisfying episodes (didn't feel like we ran out of time) as well as the Jennifer Mallick and Jadis Stokes scenes.
Language/Religion binds and blinds.
Jadis hints at her something valuable (Rick Grimes). Honing in on what 'A's are vs. 'B's
The Civic Republic (Military) worships themselves while Asha prays for Will Campbell and her brother, Dev.
Felix Carlucci chips away at what he knows to be good in Huck (which makes Jadis right about her). Elizabeth Kublek pushed Huck to her found family. Huck channels her mother: looks out for and cleans up after Felix.
What side is Jadis on? Why the surname Stokes? She might already know that Percy Delmado is not Elton Ortiz.
What's a narc? Mario thinks Brody told the CRM about Will and Dev's plan to infiltrate the Civic Republic Research Facility.
We remind the audience of our theory that the CRM allows everyone to continue with their schemes, rather than stop them right away.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one: Like his own mother/father, Elton just doesn't want to see Asha lose her mom, Indira, should the CR RF fall (no more saline dialysis).
Why does everyone in #TWDUniverse have a twin, all of a sudden?!
Everyone sort of giving Iris Bennett the side-eye in the beginning.
Dave sees Iris hesitate before sending the dead-drop message: Does she want someone to stop her? Makes it so taking out the CRM is out of her hands.
Does Jadis already know that Huck took out the transformer?
The possible significance of Kublek keeping the Project V docs in a safe with her keepsakes.
Jadis is a good person deep down.
Can Lyla Belshaw be trusted? Iris inadvertently triggers Lyla's memories of her family.
Barca is still alive.
How much bad needs to be done for the greater good? How much of your soul can you parcel before it's too much?
Feeling the blood in our own ears as Leo Bennett's memories are triggered when Lyla drops the bag of clothes.
Why Anne embraced her fake name, "Jadis"
Iris' admission to Hope Bennett about the CRM soldier she killed darkly mirrors Hope's admission of killing Amelia Ortiz (Elton's mother) last season.
Try as we might, we strongly believe Huck doesn't know Silas Plaskett is detained by Jadis.
Keep an God damned eye on Corporal Pierce, who may be Major General Beale's right-hand.
What in the world is this pre-apocalypse date doing on the Project V forms: 04-02-02?
The last of Lyla's colleagues (unnamed doctor that is not Samuel Abbott) terminates a BO4 for subject P1107 in front of the other doctors using his GPS/controller. Why?
That is not Rick's murder jacket among the pile of donated clothes meant for Felix and Percy.
